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(@thebionicman)
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I have solid experience with military operations using analog tools. Russia has been dumping those tools as fast as the rest of us. Loran C is no replacement for close range fire direction. Without GNSS we are all going to struggle. Our economies are important but those getting dead have higher priorities.

 
Posted : 27/02/2022 8:55 am
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Posted by: @john-hamilton

Serious question...how many surveyors today could function without GNSS?

I could function temporarily, as I have a robot and somewhere in the realm of 600 high accuracy control points in my work area of 150 miles. Likely the inability to get gasoline would be what shuts down my operations. Even if you think cash in your pocket would solve that, the gas station purchases from the distributor, which purchases from the plantƒ??.. and all of those Billings and invoicing are tied to the GPS satellite system.

 
Posted : 27/02/2022 1:41 pm
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@john-hamilton we functioned just fine without GNSS in the past.?ÿ Anybody completely relying on RTK work is cutting off their nose to spite their faces.?ÿ I only allow my crews to use their RTK kits for certain tasks.?ÿ We do allot of construction layout where RTK is not going to deliver the needed tolerances to stake tight slopes.?ÿ RTK has its place in certain applications, but it is not the do all, end all, process to be used as much as the newer generations swear it is.?ÿ

 
Posted : 27/02/2022 2:02 pm
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As far as the Uk is concerned, most smaller jobs can probably go back to traditional TS work. The only jobs which really NEED GPS are new transportation and utilities routes and, in the case of those under way they will already have plenty of ground control stations established.

Biggest problem for small jobs will be that the network of bench marks and trig. pillars hasn't been maintained, so there are gaps. That shouldn't generally be a problem, since most small jobs are "related" to local detail and don't really need to be on a national coordinate system, although the levels might need to do so. BUT it will annoy all those bureaucrats in Local Authorities who insist on everything being on national coordinates.

And it will annoy me, since I've just paid my yearly Trimble licence!

 
Posted : 28/02/2022 3:39 am
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@nate-the-surveyor one difference I'm seeing with vietnam, is the south Vietnamese were willing to fight, but their government was corrupt and squandered US funds, and the NVA were united and fierce, while now we have the Ukrainian leader putting on a jacket and leading his troops, asking for ammunition not money, and the Russians aren't acting like they've bought into the war

 
Posted : 01/03/2022 5:40 pm
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What GNSS products have Russian leadership? Looking to buy affordable equipment for drone mapping and sleep well at the same time.

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Posted : 21/03/2022 11:19 am
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The effects of this conflict spread to many who you wouldn't at first think of as affected.?ÿ Our concert venue last night had Alash Ensemble, the Tuvan traditional musicians and overtone singers.?ÿ Tuva is a former SSR. Their manager said they had to go to Mongolia to get visas to travel to the US. They were covid vaccinated but their vaccine wasn't recognized by the World Health Organization so they had to travel to Croatia to get a Western vaccine. Travel connections had to be made in a roundabout fashion.?ÿ They are still not sure how they are going to travel to get home after the tour.

 
Posted : 21/03/2022 11:43 am
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Is Emlid Russian? I thought they were operating in Hong Kong and Hungary but a little research would indicate otherwise.

EmlidPeople
 
Posted : 22/03/2022 11:48 am
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@nate-the-surveyor Amen!

 
Posted : 24/03/2022 1:57 pm
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Revisiting this.... if the sanctions have the intended effect on the Russian economy .. how long before enough GLONASS satellites fail and go unreplaced before the constellation becomes seriously degraded??ÿ It has happened before.

 
Posted : 07/04/2022 3:02 pm
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@john-hamilton?ÿ

Just like when the Navy stopped sextant training. A couple years later they reversed that decision for this very reason. Surveying with only a total station shouldnƒ??t be a total death nail. Especially using gps on construction sites, which TS do quite well.?ÿ

 
Posted : 23/04/2022 2:25 pm
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@bill93?ÿ

I remember first hearing of Tuva while reading?ÿ

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Not as enjoyable as ƒ??Surely Youƒ??re Jokingƒ? but another welcome story about this interesting character (and world-class physicist). ?ÿ

 
Posted : 23/04/2022 8:37 pm
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Posted by: @larry-scott

death nail

death nail

 
Posted : 24/04/2022 6:43 pm
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@geeoddmike?ÿ

I particularly enjoy (after reading the Glieck book, and the rest) watching the recordings of him and his absolutely stellar and unending enthusiasm of the topic he enveloped his life with, learning, and taking no prisoners in doing so.?ÿ?ÿ

 
Posted : 24/04/2022 8:00 pm
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Posted by: @outsideoffice

Is Emlid Russian? I thought they were operating in Hong Kong and Hungary but a little research would indicate otherwise.

EmlidPeople

I believe they are headquartered in either Bulgary or Hungary.?ÿ I do know they are not headquartered in Russia.?ÿ That being said, Russia has a strong aerospace history and in today's work-from-home market I imagine many of them do live in Russia.?ÿ I believe it is headquartered in Hungary, chips designed in Switzerland, product assembled in China, and I bought mine from Quebec, Canada.?ÿ A reflection of globalism and how everything is interconnected anymore.

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We could all go back to a time when we surveyed without GNSS.?ÿ We just wouldn't like it.?ÿ Well, aside from Miller time.

 
Posted : 24/05/2022 11:02 am
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I remember reading a few years ago that Javad was moving a lot of it's research to Moscow. Lot's of brilliant mathematicians there, I think. Anyone know it that's so?

I also remember from many years ago that ICBM's navigate by an on-board DTM of their projected route since nuclear weapons would quickly destroy all radio communication including GPS. Of course, it it comes to that, nothing matters at all.?ÿ ?ÿ

 
Posted : 24/05/2022 1:23 pm
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Posted by: @larry-best

I also remember from many years ago that ICBM's navigate by an on-board DTM of their projected route since nuclear weapons would quickly destroy all radio communication including GPS. Of course, it it comes to that, nothing matters at all.?ÿ ?ÿ

ICBMs usually relied on inertial guidance systems (gyros).

Some cruise missiles may be guided by terrain.?ÿ I don't have inside knowledge on that.

I don't think a nuclear weapon will affect communications/GPS until it goes off, after which it doesn't need to communicate. Other communications in the area may also be disrupted.

 
Posted : 24/05/2022 4:22 pm
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@bill93 So if you are the 2nd to fire your ICBM it would behoove you to have a different guidance system than relying on radio signals.

 
Posted : 25/05/2022 4:37 am
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Posted by: @larry-best

I remember reading a few years ago that Javad was moving a lot of it's research to Moscow.

In a conversation a few days ago with one of the Javad-affiliated surveyors, he mentioned that all Javad staff is now U.S.-based.

 
Posted : 25/05/2022 6:01 am
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