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(@rasmussenls)
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Hello fellow Professionals! So here's a current situation: A potential client contacted us to inquire about services. We had a pleasant conversation (about 1/2 hour - a bit longer than I typically spend with a potential client). He provided some information via email, which he had gathered on his own (deed, adjoining property survey map...). I provided a proposal which outlines the services we provide, cost, time-frame. This is his response:

Thanks for sending your proposal for the boundary survey.
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To be honest, this is a bit more than we had originally budgeted for this project, as we thought the small lot size would be a factor in the cost.
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We've read the FAQ section on your website and that was helpful in understanding the amount of time and work that goes into your final result.
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Would you be available to speak about a few questions we have before proceeding with the next steps??ÿ
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A few questions and points:
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-Exactly how legally binding and definitive are the property boundaries that will be established by your survey?
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-Does the antiquated nature and language of the original 1857 indenture pose any specific problems?
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-The west boundary seems to have changed sometime between 2005 and the present. ?ÿWill your research as described in the proposal be able to determine?ÿ
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?ÿwhen and how this happened? ?ÿ
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-As in the ƒ?? What am I paying forƒ? section in the website description of your process, will you be able to access the deeds and property boundaries of all the adjoining properties?
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-Aside from the actual physical marking of the boundaries and any search for liens, etc., how does this process differ from an abstract title search? Are you able to access more?ÿ
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?ÿinformation than an abstract search can accomplish?
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-Can you tell us a rough estimate of when the survey could be completed, or is the ten week estimate as good as it can get?
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A priority here is that we want to be assured that the survey be done as thoroughly as possible in determining the exact boundaries of the plot, especially on the north and west sides of the property.
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Many thanks and we look forward to hearing from you.
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I have not answered him yet. Part of me (the completely overwhelmed, understaffed and overbooked part) wants to just pretend I never received the email and another part of me wants to respond in a professional, ethical manner. But what is your opinion on my responsibility here? Thanks everyone 🙂
 
Posted : 17/04/2021 2:21 pm
(@holy-cow)
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You ask some great questions.?ÿ You have found one of those rare birds, a client who somewhat understands that what you are doing may be complex.?ÿ On the other hand, he wants you to thoroughly educate him so he can approach other survey firms to find a lower estimate and a quicker turn around thanks to all the information you are supplying him.?ÿ The legal question is a doozey.?ÿ Skip that one as if it didn't exist.

 
Posted : 17/04/2021 2:32 pm
(@fairbanksls)
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I'd thank him for his inquiry and tell him that I'd get back to him when I had available time.?ÿ Also express regret that these questions were not addressed?ÿ during your 1/2 hour conversation.

 
Posted : 17/04/2021 3:08 pm
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Run

 
Posted : 17/04/2021 3:47 pm
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Results are what they are. I can promise to do a professional job meeting the standard of care, but I cannot promise a particular result.

 
Posted : 17/04/2021 4:11 pm
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This is a good one.?ÿ The prospective client doesn't seem to be asking anything out of the ordinary...other than the fact that I smell an attorney.?ÿ But "fear of attorneys" is something I got over in my career.?ÿ They're just run-of-the-mill assholes with a Juris Doctorate.

First you need to ask yourself if how confident you are of your own work.?ÿ Next you need to figure out if you can do everything you need to satisfy the client for the price you've thrown out there.

It will be a great experience.?ÿ If you turn down the work I think your confidence might suffer.?ÿ Mine would.?ÿ So don't run.?ÿ Do the survey.

I didn't say you'd necessarily make any money of it, but it would be a great experience.?ÿ ;)?ÿ?ÿ

 
Posted : 17/04/2021 4:42 pm
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A wise man once said, ƒ??I never lost a dollar on a job I did not get/win.ƒ?

 
Posted : 17/04/2021 4:48 pm
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@paden-cash

A great experience is a challenging survey not a needy client.?ÿ ?ÿ

All IMHO.

 
Posted : 17/04/2021 5:36 pm
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I'd say this fisherman has already been out and landed a mullet and is now working out how to get the charter company to turn it into a marlin.

 
Posted : 17/04/2021 7:55 pm
(@party-chef)
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I do not see any obligation to respond if you do not feel it is a worthwhile expenditure of your time.

My favorite Lawyer joke:?ÿ

Client: If I give you 500 dollars will you answer three simple questions?

Attorney: Sure thing, what are the other two?

If they were questions about a survey they had paid for, then maybe. Funny that they hit the fast, cheap, and good venn diagram though.?ÿ

 
Posted : 18/04/2021 12:44 am
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I posted a few weeks ago about a potential client who after a few phone calls and emails, I figured wouldn't be worth getting involved with.?ÿ I told her we were too busy, and that was it.?ÿ And I haven't regretted it at all.?ÿ

This guy seems like he's going to be a handful.?ÿ?ÿ

 
Posted : 18/04/2021 4:50 am
(@notsomuch)
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I can appreciate a potential client who is somewhat educated about his needs, expectations and desires.?ÿ And (in a professional sense) I don't mind stepping into a potentially volatile situation.

A short answer back to him would be that most of those questions can be answered subsequent to him hiring you to determine the facts.?ÿ Your time and expertise are not free.?ÿ Perhaps you can utilize an hourly rate to discuss those questions and prepare a project proposal.

But I am not "completely overwhelmed, understaffed and overbooked" as you seem to be.

My $0.02 and YMMV.

Good luck!

 
Posted : 18/04/2021 6:52 am
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@fairbanksls

Both are a challenge, just different...

 
Posted : 18/04/2021 7:06 am
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Maybe just tell him you would be willing to delve into those questions for him if he wants to provide you with a retainer to cover your time, but your paying clients require you to prioritize your time for them. Turn the table on him.

 
Posted : 19/04/2021 11:42 am
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Aside from the time frame question it looks like a bunch of stuff that isn't even relevant to the matter at hand-- "Do you need a survey or not?".?ÿ Suggesting a retainer seems like a good way to go from here.

 
Posted : 19/04/2021 12:34 pm
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