Small engineering firm near Baton Rouge, LA looking to establish a surveying practice. Looking for a full time PLS (supervising surveyor for firm registration) with 3-5 yrs of PLS experience. Must be registered in LA with the ability to obtain registration in other states, as needed. Must have AutoCAD experience and preferably familiarity with Trimble hardware and software. Must have existing relationships to help develop/grow surveying practice.
I'm a long way from LA, so I don't have a dog in this hunt. But If I did I'd see a problem with hiring an LS to "establish a Survey Practice" after a very fundamental decision has already been made about that survey practice - namely what equipment/software brand is going to be used. I say this as a person who favors Trimble as a rule. In what other ways do you plan to hamstring the lucky applicant?
Mark Mayer, post: 455536, member: 424 wrote: In what other ways do you plan to hamstring the lucky applicant
I wouldn't feel too hamstrung getting saddled with the top U.S. selling design software and arguably the top U.S. selling equipment manufacturer. If that combination is a deal breaker don't apply; better to know those decisions were already made going in.
On one hand I have a few clients who require Trimble. On the other, walking into an office to start a program I'd be curious why that decision was made without the guy who has to live with it. It may have a reasonable foundation or could reveal an attitude that will end things poorly.
thebionicman, post: 455554, member: 8136 wrote: I'd be curious why that decision was made without the guy who has to live with it
I suspect that the equipment in question is bought and paid for (or partially paid for) and bringing in a PLS who doesn't want to use it is a poor business decision
thebionicman, post: 455554, member: 8136 wrote: It may have a reasonable foundation or could reveal an attitude that will end things poorly.
Both are certainly possibilities. Without knowledge enough to decide either way the default action should always be to hijack the job posting add, assume the worst and alienate potential applicants tainting them with the evils this company is waiting to inflict on them and do it all while not having a dog in the hunt.
Cameron Watson PLS, post: 455571, member: 11407 wrote: Both are certainly possibilities. Without knowledge enough to decide either way the default action should always be to hijack the job posting add, assume the worst and alienate potential applicants tainting them with the evils this company is waiting to inflict on them and do it all while not having a dog in the hunt.
Offering food for thought to potential applicants isnt a hijack. It's food for thought.
Boy you guys certainly didn??t disappoint me. Few things are certain in life besides death and taxes. But arguments on this forum about any topic presented is almost a certainty.
Yes, I already have a significant investment in Trimble hardware and software. But more important than the equipment is the longstanding relationship I have with my local Trimble dealer, which most of you should agree is very important. I really don??t see this as a negative and certainly not hamstringing anyone. I??m being up front about the equipment I have. Not sure what the fuss is about.
Cameron Watson PLS, post: 455551, member: 11407 wrote: I wouldn't feel too hamstrung getting saddled with the top U.S. selling design software and arguably the top U.S. selling equipment manufacturer.
Left to my own devices I would almost certainly choose Trimble myself. But that's not the point.
andrewm, post: 455576, member: 10888 wrote: Yes, I already have a significant investment in Trimble hardware and software. But more important than the equipment is the longstanding relationship I have with my local Trimble dealer, which most of you should agree is very important. I really don??t see this as a negative and certainly not hamstringing anyone. I??m being up front about the equipment I have. Not sure what the fuss is about.
Let's be honest. You are looking for a surveyor to help you continue and build the surveying practice you have established. Which is fine, but it's a very different thing from what your headline suggests. It is clear which side of this relationship will be making the really important decisions, and which side will have to deal with whatever resources you decide he needs.
PE plus GISP? No! Hell No! Would rather starve! Will go out as a Land SURVEYOR!
Subservient to GIS? Not NO but HELL NO!
"We are a GIS provider over our heads with contracts requiring specifications demanding certification of a PROFESSIONAL LAND SURVEYOR...join our team as a (technical, junior) partner!"
This is a posting offering an opportunity for a Louisiana PLS. I'm not really sure why anyone not fitting that description and knowing less than nothing about the specific circumstances feels an uncontrollable need to offer up an opinion.
My $0.02
Lee D, post: 455780, member: 7971 wrote: This is a posting offering an opportunity for a Louisiana PLS. I'm not really sure why anyone not fitting that description and knowing less than nothing about the specific circumstances feels an uncontrollable need to offer up an opinion.
My $0.02
I think is because he is looking to hire someone with all the Survey work connections for the Business, rather than looking for a Surveyor to become a partner in the Business.
Not all PEs and GISPs are evil. Leave that determination to the applicant. I know more PLSs I'd never work with than I do PEs. I've worked with PEs since day one and most of them are real people - just like the rest of the world. Being a PE doesn't remove your compassion and sense of fair play. If the applicant can't fight his way through this discovery process, he probably won't make a good surveyor anyway. Seems more like a great opportunity for a savvy young PLS. If you're going to indict him, at least wait til he's committed the offense.
I am in California. I have a Civil Engineering degree and received my PE license in 1983. After 25 years in the public agency realm, most in the land development field, I decided to pursue my PLS. Sat for the exam twice and passed in 2008. Started a land development consulting firm in 2010. Last seven years have been the most rewarding.
Bottom line, go get your LS license!
Believe me if I had the time
dhunter, post: 455794, member: 286 wrote: I am in California. I have a Civil Engineering degree and received my PE license in 1983. After 25 years in the public agency realm, most in the land development field, I decided to pursue my PLS. Sat for the exam twice and passed in 2008. Started a land development consulting firm in 2010. Last seven years have been the most rewarding.
Bottom line, go get your LS license!
As you can see by the post quoted above by James Fleming, I thought long and hard about it. I could swing the exam, but there is no way I have the time to get the boundary surveying experience. As Double D accurately stated, I would like to find a young savvy PLS to join my firm. And an equity position has certainly been discussed. A supervising professional should have stake in the company he/she works for. But I'm just in the exploratory phase right now. I have to find the right person first, then we can work out all the details. In order for this to really work, both parties have to be vested in the arrangement.
It seems that many of you jumped to conclusions and made suppositions about me and my firm without asking a single question. You have no idea about my technical capabilities, my interpersonal skills, or ability to run a business. You are precisely the type of person I would never want to work with.
Pay no attention to the keyboard warriors.
Tommy Young, post: 455894, member: 703 wrote: Pay no attention to the keyboard warriors.
They say American industrial output has been off-shored, but we still manufacture outrage like no other country can.
andrewm, post: 455887, member: 10888 wrote: It seems that many of you jumped to conclusions and made suppositions about me and my firm ....
I hope that my comments will help both you and the successful applicant see with clearer eyes just how the dynamics of this relationship are going to work. For the record, I could be a PE if I just had the time to learn all that engineering stuff.
Cameron Watson PLS, post: 455571, member: 11407 wrote: Both are certainly possibilities. Without knowledge enough to decide either way the default action should always be to hijack the job posting add, assume the worst and alienate potential applicants tainting them with the evils this company is waiting to inflict on them and do it all while not having a dog in the hunt.
Good point.
Mark Mayer, post: 455900, member: 424 wrote: I hope that my comments will help both you and the successful applicant see with clearer eyes just how the dynamics of this relationship are going to work. For the record, I could be a PE if I just had the time to learn all that engineering stuff.
You don't have to know anything to be a PE, you just have to have a good reference library.
