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I am trying to complete an NCEES “record” that is required by a state in which I wish to seek licensure by reciprocity. I have been licensed in two states for over 25 years (27 years in one of them). I initially submitted my complete surveying experience, which includes multiple past employers.
In one example, I listed my experience as a Project Manager on a freeway construction project. I described my supervision of multiple survey crews, my roadway and bridge calculations, scheduling responsibilities, and related tasks. Shortly thereafter, I received a notice stating that I had not been specific enough in explaining what I personally did as a surveyor.
As a result, I revised the description and explained how I created Excel spreadsheets to calculate centerline profiles and offset elevations, and then imported and exported the data into CAD. I explained that these calculations included vertical curves, superelevations, and bridge elevation calculations for concrete forming above finished grades, accounting for the effects of concrete loading weight on spans between piers.
I have now received a notice stating that I included too much detail and am being instructed to: “Please reduce the current text by half (1/2), citing only the most salient points of the project.”
I have previously called the NCEES “help” number several times, only to speak with individuals who appeared to have minimal knowledge of surveying and were able to answer only very general questions. They would not honor my request to speak with someone who could address my application in a more specific and knowledgeable manner.
I am frustrated by the demands to reformat and revise my experience descriptions to suit the apparent whims of the reviewers, whom apparently, I can only communicate with through my online submissions. My last submission: “You’re killing me, Smalls,” was not well received.
Look at the bright side, at least you only have to do it once. Oh, and you are really going to love tracking your PDHs on their system.
Thanks for reminding me why I haven't signed up for that NCEES record thing.
When I applied in Oklahoma by reciprocity in 2011 I had over 20 years in the business and 13 years licensed. I documented only the eight years required by OK law and they were happy with that.
Here's an example of what I got approved earlier last year. They want it written in the first person tense which seems strange to me. Hope it's helpful. Formatting doesn't copy well...
Tasks and Duties
Field work including design surveys, ROW, project control, construction layout. Office duties including ROW research and mapping, and data reductions.
Representative Projects
2024, Palmer, Alaska, Glenn Hwy - Bogard Rd to Archie Rd - I performed ROW recovery and cleanup topo and control. Recovered USGS corners, subdivision corners for all fronting lots, ROW centerline moments from multiple historical iterations of the ROW. Performed topographic data collection for missed features in ROW and adjacent lots found during preliminary review and ran levels for vertical control to structure rims requiring roadway/pavement to match as well as tying in prior iterations of project vertical control from previous work.
2023-2024, North Slope Borough, Pikka Oil Field - I performed construction layout for gravel installation and ice road construction. Set vertical and horizontal control for pipeline location construction and pile installation. Performed QA on set piles ensuring they met tolerances and as-built locations for payment documentation.
2023-2024, Multiple MTA Fiber Optic staking projects throughout Eagle River, Palmer, Wasilla, Big Lake, and Houston Alaska. Work I completed included ROW recovery for fronting lot corners to subject ROW, and ROW or easement staking depending on planned utility installation location. ROW plat research and drafting of lines to be staked by field crews.