In this context a point set online between the CL monumentation at the intersection with property lines extended. In the old days they would be set, then occupied, crank the azimuth and set the front corner.
Occasionally guys would set the liners with a shiner, but with the numbers facing down, a message to other surveyors that it is a reference point but without sharing the LS number with casual observers. "Numbers Down", that type of work is getting rare, I think, where guys would do durable field work meant to help out the next guy.?ÿ
I had this argument, several years ago, with Jerry Broadus. I told him that most of the corners I set; 3/4's of it falls outside of my clients property. What if the other 3 property owners don't want my corner protruding into their property? He kind of laughed and said; they have no authority. What are they going to do; shoot you? If it goes that far, you should probably leave and come back with the sheriff. If they assault you, well, they're probably going to jail.
Just set the damn corner and tell mister neighbor to go pound sand...
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That was my point. Florida uses reference monument to describe both.
Sounds like what we used to do in the eighties in south Florida in new subdivisions where lot lines were only slightly staggered. We bent roofing tabs into triangles and pointed them left or right to their respective lots. I personally liked the tabs made from beer cans.
Set a cardboard box around the fence corner, with a rebar in concrete. Fill in the box w concrete.?ÿ
Natester - Tell you what. There are a multitude of common lot corners associated with say 4 or 5 lots in FL , upon which all the adjoining ??neighbors? hate each other. Depending upon the age of the development there may be as many as 5 iron rods, all within an 8? diameter circle defining ??the true and correct corner?. I??ll send you a bus ticket and you can come on down and do the concrete thing while I video it. After we are released from the hospital we can split the profits from all the media attention and the National Enquirer (70% for me because I thought of it, and 43% for you!) We??ll be rich!!!!
Let me know ?????ÿ
My second engagement, still a young'n and without much real knowledge, was my first (and only) for lot-survey production. I was taught that 'flag' stakes were inset and placed on the diagonal of the subject lot, a few tenths behind the iron, and facing outward- to the monument.
Not sure where that standard came from but, for the field dogs, lore held this indicates who the survey was performed for and helped to ensure client satisfaction.
On the OP, I've had adjoiners tell me I can't set anything when there's been a discrepancy (overlap, typically). I summarize my findings in a report/ letter, provide to the client with appropriately labeled 'preliminary' map, and copy all doc's to the adjoiner, hand delivery. Nothing set at the line in question and a nod to the client to let me know when the issue has been settled or if they need my help.
Non-recording state. If I had to record (subdivision, client request), I believe I would simply draft my map as always, put the facts regarding my non-set location on my map, and show the "point" as a calculated point with proper ties to found or set locations. NC guidance allows this for inaccessible points.
Psychology is a must for any working person, whether it's otj or book-taught. Some points aren't worth setting for any number of reasons. The recorded map will point the way for future professionals. ?ÿ
@flga-2-2 That??s great!!
@flga-2-2
I went through a complicated woodisy subdivision. Finally got to the point I'm going to set a corner, found some old pipes and some newer rebars and ended up missing two monuments.?ÿ
Well, this one corner fell a .5 feet west of a north south fence (not a straight fence at all), from there the fence cornered 15 feet south turned east and then wandered all over the place sometimes from tree to tree but never very straight.?ÿ
I was happy to see the fence within .5 feet and so I pounded my rebar and cap in.?ÿ
The lady that lived on the east side of the fence came up to me in a rush crying and said I was stabbing her dead cat that she buried there. I said but this is on the neighbors side of the fence.?ÿ
She said she didn't want to bury the cat on her side.?ÿ
I wish I had a picture of it but one corner I tried to find fell inside a 10" diameter steel bollard, 1/2" of rolled steel standing 5' high and filled with concrete and set in concrete. The thing would have stopped a tank. I flagged it up and called it the corner. I wasn't about to argue with the property owner who wanted something a little more durable than a 5/8 rebar.?ÿ
Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
Reminds me of the lady who sued a cemetery because a main water line ran across the side of the cemetery near where she would be buried someday (her current location).?ÿ She claimed the line would leak over to her grave and drown her.
Based on her final destination, any water leaking that way would generate a steam spout to make Old Faithful look like nothing.
And my experience is that 0.15 feet from a fence post there is generally a big hunk of concrete about 0.3 feet down...
I agree.
The fence isn't necessarily the boundary. We don't know how old it is, we don't know if it was intended to be on the line, we know none of that. It seems likely that the corner monument goes 0.15' from the fence. I would have pounded in a Mag and Tag, snapped a picture and walked away.
I have drilled a lead and tack into a shared driveway as a lady screamed at me that I was off by an inch. It is what it is. If they knew where their boundary was, I wouldn't be there.?ÿ
Does the same apply if your client tells you not to set the corner because they disagree with your survey?
I would set it anyway and let him have the joy of destroying it once I was out of sight.?ÿ What I don't know, won't hurt me.
Interesting question and one I've never had to wrestle with.
If I'm fired from a survey, I'm probably not setting the irons. If I've finished the survey and the client directs me not to set an(y) iron(s), then I haven't really finished the survey.
Is anyone relying on the non-set survey? Can anyone rely on a non-set survey if there is no record or map? Am I providing a record?
If I'm providing a record, then I have to set my irons (unless inaccessible). *Fact*
If I don't set irons (given that one or more need to be set/ reset), then do I have to provide a record? Required irons not set; no record of survey- what would that even be? money for nothing?
Am I at risk of failing to complete the contract? If the scope details completing the boundary and there is a valid contract, then I have to monument and provide a sealed report or map. This appears to be the bottom line.
I'm going to have to chew on this some more...
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