Jim in AZ, post: 328540, member: 249 wrote: I'll take that bet any day - you just have to know how to use it properly...
Twenty says I can get it stuck and have to hump it back to find an axe.
Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
Jim in AZ, post: 328540, member: 249 wrote: I'll take that bet any day - you just have to know how to use it properly...
Neither of those saws will make a kerf wide enough to allow the insertion of a wedge to hold it open. A 12"' tree is just going to be too heavy to manage without mechanical advantage.. I'll put my $10 on Williwaw's.
Norman Oklahoma, post: 328581, member: 9981 wrote: Neither of those saws will make a kerf wide enough to allow the insertion of a wedge to hold it open. A 12"' tree is just going to be too heavy to manage without mechanical advantage.. I'll put my $10 on Williwaw's.
Well hypothetically, I'm pretty sure a guy could use a bow saw to cut down 6 trees fir and ponderosa ranging in size from 6"-11", acquire 14 birds, and take 2- 180 epoch Rtk shots on a found stone, without getting the saw stuck or otherwise killing himself- hypothetically of course...
Rankin_File, post: 328594, member: 101 wrote: Well hypothetically, I'm pretty sure a guy could use a bow saw to cut down 6 trees fir and ponderosa ranging in size from 6"-11", acquire 14 birds, and take 2- 180 epoch Rtk shots on a found stone, without getting the saw stuck or otherwise killing himself- hypothetically of course...
been there done that mostly LPP though and some spruce
Rankin_File, post: 328594, member: 101 wrote: Well hypothetically, I'm pretty sure a guy could use a bow saw to cut down 6 trees fir and ponderosa ranging in size from 6"-11", acquire 14 birds, and take 2- 180 epoch Rtk shots on a found stone, without getting the saw stuck or otherwise killing himself- hypothetically of course...
We'll never see a write-up on this stone no matter how interesting it is. [sarcasm]Can't go revealing the scene of the hypothetical "crime".[/sarcasm] :whistle:
Norman Oklahoma, post: 328581, member: 9981 wrote: Neither of those saws will make a kerf wide enough to allow the insertion of a wedge to hold it open.
I've never done it with a 12" tree, but I have with smaller trees: cut a wedge tall enough to leave lots of cutting room but not deep enough to bind, then repeat until the tree is down. I don't see why it wouldn't work with a larger tree, though it does mean effectively cutting through the tree several times.
Stephen Ward, post: 328598, member: 1206 wrote: We'll never see a write-up on this stone no matter how interesting it is. [sarcasm]Can't go revealing the scene of the hypothetical "crime".[/sarcasm] :whistle:
I prefer to call it hypothetical strategic timber management ....
The type of saw wood(pun intended) knot(pun intended) matter. I would get it hung up. Guaranteed! A sharp axe however will get the job done much sooner and with far less bending over at the oversized waist.
My 12" echo chainsaw would do that job. Not very low profile in the noise department though.
Are there any openings near by to where you could get a couple of gps points and then steel tape to the corner to then calc dist-dist intersection. Not that I'm opposed to cutting down a tree to get a shot, as I'm certified eco-terrorist in that category. But sounds like felling trees is not something you're comfortable with.
Myself, I'd pack one of my smaller stihl's. Not that I'm opposed to chopping a tree down, but I'd rather pack a chainsaw then chop down a tree.
clearcut, post: 328679, member: 297 wrote: Are there any openings near by to where you could get a couple of gps points and then steel tape to the corner to then calc dist-dist intersection. Not that I'm opposed to cutting down a tree to get a shot, as I'm certified eco-terrorist in that category. But sounds like felling trees is not something you're comfortable with.
Myself, I'd pack one of my smaller stihl's. Not that I'm opposed to chopping a tree down, but I'd rather pack a chainsaw then chop down a tree.
What have done is get a couple of points near the monument, include them in my static network then do conventional ties to the monument. The conventional ties are either from both points or if that doesn't work then I close the horizon. Finally, I feed it all into StarNet and the whole network plus the ties are processed simultaneously.
Rankin_File, post: 328594, member: 101 wrote: Well hypothetically, I'm pretty sure a guy could use a bow saw to cut down 6 trees fir and ponderosa ranging in size from 6"-11", acquire 14 birds, and take 2- 180 epoch Rtk shots on a found stone, without getting the saw stuck or otherwise killing himself- hypothetically of course...
Keep in mind that the cross sectional area of a 12" tree is about quadruple that of a 6" tree, plus the additional height that goes along with it. A 12" tree is a lot heavier than a 6" one. You can probably handle a 6" with one of those hand saws (the axe would still be my tool of choice nevertheless), but I think that the 12" is going to be much, much more difficult.
Oh, in time it can be done, I suppose. But I can easily see a person spending a long afternoon on such a job.
Williwaw, post: 328556, member: 7066 wrote: Twenty says I can get it stuck and have to hump it back to find an axe.
LOL!
Forty says I can show you how to use it properly...
I suppose that either saw would work in a pinch. However a 10-12" tree may be over-sized for an 18" (limbing) saw with an effective travel of lets say 14". Neither saw will be efficient for the task. That said, you could expect to cut the tree about five feet up saving your back but also increasing the chances of disaster; remember you are alone in the woods. I would take our your cell phone, dial 91 and start cutting. Otherwise leave the timber falling to the professionals of which there must be a few in your neck of the woods looking for work.
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I would and do use this:
Dan, get rid of that horrible full tooth chain and switch to a skip tooth. Half as many teeth to sharpen and it cuts the same.
You will have to go to a saw shop to get one.
Am I the only one who thinks this has gotten out of hand? Last fall we hiked two miles in for a 4 hour occupation. We found a 10" pine hanging directly over the point. We chopped it down with a dull machete... Had we a bow saw that would have been fine as well. It's a 10" tree, not a 30" oak. Sure, the species will make a difference but you could drop a 10" with a bow saw in less than 10 minutes so long as you're able bodied to work for 10 straight minutes. I'm out of shape and lazy so when it took 20 minutes to use our wet log... I mean super dull machete, we traded off every 5 minutes or so.
Zoidberg, post: 328734, member: 8841 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this has gotten out of hand? Last fall we ...chopped (a 10" pine) down with a dull machete... it took 20 minutes.
If you had used a bowsaw or a hand trim saw to do it you would have something. Personally, I'd rather do it with a machete than any hand saw.
Rankin_File, post: 328523, member: 101 wrote: So suppose - hypothetically-you were planning on hiking in -by yourself-to some corners and figured you might have to hypothetically saw down a tree that might be a scoash bigger than *cough* say 10-12"
Well, whether you use dynamite, hand saws, lasers, chain saws, axes, nuclear fission, or the neighborÛªs tractor (while he is at work), be sure to take this too.
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