Or have the requests, comments, and complaints from lenders, counsel, and clients gotten especially pedantic over the last few years? I mean, I'm being asked to explain things that once were obvious to anyone with the least amount of experience in surveying and/or real estate transactions, being asked to fix and note face-of-survey issues that are entirely superfluous to the meat of the matter, and even getting more and more frequent requests to certify to things like the atomic weight of kryptonite.
Is this happening to anyone else?
Not from our vantage point. In fact it seems to have gotten better in the last 10 years with new owners of title companies.
The last time I was asked to change a certification, I finally got to the real underwriter attorney and we drafted an acceptable language. It pissed the lady at the title company off because I went over her head, but she couldn't do anything about it. In the end, she left and we now have great relationships with the title companies and I get zero stupid requests.
flyin solo, post: 328568, member: 8089 wrote: Is this happening to anyone else?
Not that I've really noticed; most of my ALTA's require less than five minutes of addressing comments from the draft before printing final copies.
I did get some silly comments on three ALTA's I just completed for a due diligence / site selection project; but they were from the potential owner that has to choose between the sites, not anyone with title/survey/legal experience. And at $80K +/- each, I figure they purchased a couple of extra hours of my hand-holding time. 😀
interesting. maybe it's just being here in the center of the known universe (there's about 85 different ways we think of ourselves that way here).
comments and questions received in just the last couple months (no joke):
"please stake all 8 slabs from the architectural drawings dated 3/12/15 and provide us with a letter certifying completion and proper location of the slabs." (this resulted in a near-fistfight and a subsequent two week stalemate when i refused to use anything but structurals, PER CONTRACT)
"please remove the building setback line from the face of the survey, as it will cause a problem with our lender" (as if i can make record restrictions disappear just using layer control).
"please change the font you use for land ownership information" (no explanation or justification given- Roman T, btw).
"please plot at 1"=20' scale." then... "please keep survey to one sheet." then... "please keep survey to one 18x24 sheet." (they settled on one 18x24 sheet plotted at 1:50.)
"why didn't you plot the limits of the blanket easement? please correct and return."
"please show location of abandoned electric lines." (kinda like "go up about a mile and take a left where mr. johnson's barn used to be...)
and, of course: "your survey shows 5.803 acres. we have 5.805 acres under contract. please adjust your survey to the correct area and return." (have gotten this one about 4 times in 2015.)
flyin solo, post: 328575, member: 8089 wrote: interesting. maybe it's just being here in the center of the known universe (there's about 85 different ways we think of ourselves that way here).
comments and questions received in just the last couple months (no joke):
"please stake all 8 slabs from the architectural drawings dated 3/12/15 and provide us with a letter certifying completion and proper location of the slabs." (this resulted in a near-fistfight and a subsequent two week stalemate when i refused to use anything but structurals, PER CONTRACT)
"please remove the building setback line from the face of the survey, as it will cause a problem with our lender" (as if i can make record restrictions disappear just using layer control).
"please change the font you use for land ownership information" (no explanation or justification given- Roman T, btw).
"please plot at 1"=20' scale." then... "please keep survey to one sheet." then... "please keep survey to one 18x24 sheet." (they settled on one 18x24 sheet plotted at 1:50.)
"why didn't you plot the limits of the blanket easement? please correct and return."
"please show location of abandoned electric lines." (kinda like "go up about a mile and take a left where mr. johnson's barn used to be...)
and, of course: "your survey shows 5.803 acres. we have 5.805 acres under contract. please adjust your survey to the correct area and return." (have gotten this one about 4 times in 2015.)
You need to change title companies. Even though I loath the sorry sunzabishes, we don't anything near that asinine around here.
if it were the title company making the comments i'd agree. 'cept it's coming from developers, their attorneys and lenders. seems like it's usually case of everyone wants to be the smartest guy at the table...
flyin solo, post: 328575, member: 8089 wrote: interesting. maybe it's just being here in the center of the known universe (there's about 85 different ways we think of ourselves that way here).
comments and questions received in just the last couple months (no joke):
"please stake all 8 slabs from the architectural drawings dated 3/12/15 and provide us with a letter certifying completion and proper location of the slabs." (this resulted in a near-fistfight and a subsequent two week stalemate when i refused to use anything but structurals, PER CONTRACT)
"please remove the building setback line from the face of the survey, as it will cause a problem with our lender" (as if i can make record restrictions disappear just using layer control).
"please change the font you use for land ownership information" (no explanation or justification given- Roman T, btw).
"please plot at 1"=20' scale." then... "please keep survey to one sheet." then... "please keep survey to one 18x24 sheet." (they settled on one 18x24 sheet plotted at 1:50.)
"why didn't you plot the limits of the blanket easement? please correct and return."
"please show location of abandoned electric lines." (kinda like "go up about a mile and take a left where mr. johnson's barn used to be...)
and, of course: "your survey shows 5.803 acres. we have 5.805 acres under contract. please adjust your survey to the correct area and return." (have gotten this one about 4 times in 2015.)
Those comments are BS that's someone that has no ideal of what they are doing or looking at.
flyin solo, post: 328575, member: 8089 wrote:
"why didn't you plot the limits of the blanket easement? please correct and return."
Ok, that made me laigh.
OMG, Mr. Fleming! What did you do to bring on this result?
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As to the blanket easement comment. Does a blanket easement cover the entire bed as well and other coverings and pillows or does it only allow the existence of a blanket within a specific area on the tract being surveyed?
Holy Cow, post: 328611, member: 50 wrote: OMG, Mr. Fleming! What did you do to bring on this result?
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As to the blanket easement comment. Does a blanket easement cover the entire bed as well and other coverings and pillows or does it only allow the existence of a blanket within a specific area on the tract being surveyed?
Someone seems to have a heavy moderation hand. I noticed my post where I referred to you as a venerated bovine was deleted. Not sure why.
Andy Nold, post: 328737, member: 7 wrote: Someone seems to have a heavy moderation hand. I noticed my post where I referred to you as a venerated bovine was deleted. Not sure why.
Interesting. I hope that this doesn't become the norm. Heavy handed moderation tends to stifle things as people get sick of it and leave. Doing things without the courtesy of letting the relevant user know why is a little poor.
Heck, I was pleased to discover I was venerated.
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verb
regard with great respect; revere.
"Mother Teresa is venerated as a saint"
synonyms: revere, regard highly, reverence, worship, hallow, hold sacred, exalt, vaunt, adore, honor, respect, esteem
Holy Cow, post: 328770, member: 50 wrote: Heck, I was pleased to discover I was venerated.
I thought venerated meant you had fans and ductwork to keep the air movin'....
"please remove the building setback line from the face of the survey, as it will cause a problem with our lender" (as if i can make record restrictions disappear just using layer control).
"why didn't you plot the limits of the blanket easement? please correct and return."
These are my personal favorites! Thanks. :good:
Attended a free bean feed last week and took home three pots of good old navy beans. Delicious and aromatic all at the same time. Just finished off the last of the goodies last evening. Mrs. Cow thought the atmosphere might finally start to clear up in our house, but I had a big helping of baked beans with my lunch today. She needs to keep those fans aimed at me for at least another 24 hours.
Paden's confusion of venerated with ventilated reminded me of a mechanical engineering professor of mine whose wife was a professor with a specialty in family and child development. His work involved pyschrometric data while hers involved psychometric data. They worked on a project together that involved a study of the impact of certain environmental equipment being used in controlled settings where specific emotional characteristics were being analyzed. Both words were apropos but the various editors kept trying to make them be the same word in every case.
I'd say you've had enough! LOL
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"Holy Cow" = Venerated Bovine"
"Holey Cow" = "Ventilated Bovine"
"Wholly Cow" = "Non-Ventilated Bovine"
flyin solo, post: 328568, member: 8089 wrote: Or have the requests, comments, and complaints from lenders, counsel, and clients gotten especially pedantic over the last few years? I mean, I'm being asked to explain things that once were obvious to anyone with the least amount of experience in surveying and/or real estate transactions, being asked to fix and note face-of-survey issues that are entirely superfluous to the meat of the matter, and even getting more and more frequent requests to certify to things like the atomic weight of kryptonite.
Is this happening to anyone else?
Had a great one this morning...
Our DOT required me to provide them with the colors of the lettering and background on our "Survey Crew" warning sign!
I felt like responding that I couldn't tell due to my color blindness...
Back at Andy......I'd say you've had enough! LOL
One of the funniest movies of all time. There are 20,000 different funny elements all crammed into 90 minutes or so of film. Mongo (Alex Karras) was a hoot! Hedley Lamar ("That's Hedley, not Heddy") played by Harvey Korman was totally off the wall. Everyone in the little town was named Johnson. Riding off into the sunset in a limo. Camptown ladies sing this song.............. The scene where they are about to do in Cleavon Little's character, Bart (edited for obvious reasons)
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[the Johnsons load their guns and point them at Bart. Bart then points his own pistol at his head]
Bart: [low voice] Hold it! Next man makes a move, the (not a Johnson) gets it!
Olson Johnson: Hold it, men. He's not bluffing.
Dr. Sam Johnson: Listen to him, men. He's just crazy enough to do it!
Bart: [low voice] Drop it! Or I swear I'll blow this (not a Johnson's) head all over this town!
Bart: [high-pitched voice] Oh, lo'dy, lo'd, he's desp'it! Do what he sayyyy, do what he sayyyy!
[Townspeople drop their guns. Bart jams the gun into his neck and drags himself through the crowd towards the station]
Harriet Johnson: Isn't anybody going to help that poor man?
Dr. Sam Johnson: Hush, Harriet! That's a sure way to get him killed!
Bart: [high-pitched voice] Oooh! He'p me, he'p me! Somebody he'p me! He'p me! He'p me! He'p me!
Bart: [low voice] Shut up!
[Bart places his hand over his own mouth, then drags himself through the door into his office]
Bart: Ooh, baby, you are so talented!
[looks into the camera]
Bart: And they are so *dumb*!