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Andy Nold
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Robert, an RPLS in my office is seeing a call for a wagon hub part in some 1914 corrected field notes for an area he is working in West Texas. We are both scratching our head trying to figure out what the cursive says. In the first sentence of the description there is a marked out "An iron hub box" and then followed by "iron bo??? of wagon hub set".

What do you think box??? is?

Boxring
foxring
bracing

It actually calls for a thimble skein further down the description.


 
Posted : January 12, 2016 5:07 pm
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I read "boxing". I have no idea what that is.


 
Posted : January 12, 2016 5:20 pm
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BOXING

Compared each small letter to other uses of the same letter. In the word "intersection" you have the identical symbol, but what should be "c" seems to be an "x". The "c" in the word "block" is a tad bit different. The "b" matches the one in the word "between".

Found boxing as used in reference to wagon hubs as follows:What is the Boxing & Skein?
The skeins (cast spindle on your wood axle) is a match to the boxing (the cast tapered sleeve in your wood hub). Boxing and skein sizes are numerous and sized accordingly to the capacity of the wagon.


 
Posted : January 12, 2016 5:23 pm
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I have a copy of a deed that calls for a wagon crating box. I can't remember the date, though.


 
Posted : January 12, 2016 5:23 pm
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I just did a google search and found this link to a PDF about wagon vocabulary. Boxing is one of the words in the list.

http://www.canvocta.org/PDF/A%20Vocabulary%20of%20Wagon%20Parts.pdf


 
Posted : January 12, 2016 5:24 pm

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OK. I learned a new old word today. Thanks.

I get the mental image of the survey crew getting stuck with the old horse drawn survey chariot that's falling apart and they're cannibalizing the thing as it falls apart in the field. LOL


 
Posted : January 12, 2016 5:26 pm
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Andy Nold, post: 352922, member: 7 wrote: Robert, an RPLS in my office is seeing a call for a wagon hub part in some 1914 corrected field notes for an area he is working in West Texas. We are both scratching our head trying to figure out what the cursive says. In the first sentence of the description there is a marked out "An iron hub box" and then followed by "iron bo??? of wagon hub set".

What do you think box??? is?

Boxring
foxring
bracing

It actually calls for a thimble skein further down the description.

this link has info on the boxing: http://www.customwagons.com/wagonwheels1.htm


 
Posted : January 12, 2016 5:36 pm
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Local descriptions have called that a wagon spindle or axle.


 
Posted : January 12, 2016 5:53 pm
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Learned something new today. I guess I can go home now!


 
Posted : January 12, 2016 6:09 pm
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I go with the word Boxing.


 
Posted : January 12, 2016 7:12 pm

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R.J. Schneider, post: 352930, member: 409 wrote: I have a copy of a deed that calls for a wagon crating box. I can't remember the date, though.

"I found an old pine knot, several other pine knots , and an old wagon boxing in the same vicinity."

"..following a well marked line 1380.6 varas to a pine knot and packing box which is claimed to be.."

I was wrong about the term crating. I think that was part of my google search when I couldn't understand how it was you could set a box for a corner. o.O


 
Posted : January 14, 2016 4:35 am
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bridger48, post: 352937, member: 6251 wrote:

this link has info on the boxing: http://www.customwagons.com/wagonwheels1.htm

Bridger's link shows "boxing" as the metal tube insert in the wagon wheel hub. That would lead me to believe you are looking for a short metal pipe.


 
Posted : January 14, 2016 9:23 am
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Here is a detail of a boxing axle setup. The boxing insert is a tappered iron cylinder with wings that keep the boxing from spinning on the wheel. I suspect the earlier form of the boxing was actually a square iron block with a hole drilled through, possibly tapered. The wheel hub would have had a square cutout for the block or boxing. While this is only speculation you could be looking for either a short iron block or tappered pipe.


 
Posted : January 14, 2016 10:43 am
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bridger48, post: 353223, member: 6251 wrote: Here is a detail of a boxing axle setup. The boxing insert is a tappered iron cylinder with wings that keep the boxing from spinning on the wheel. I suspect the earlier form of the boxing was actually a square iron block with a hole drilled through, possibly tapered. The wheel hub would have had a square cutout for the block or boxing. While this is only speculation you could be looking for either a short iron block or tappered pipe.

Very nice!


 
Posted : January 14, 2016 12:54 pm
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bridger48, post: 353223, member: 6251 wrote: Here is a detail of a boxing axle setup. The boxing insert is a tappered iron cylinder with wings that keep the boxing from spinning on the wheel. I suspect the earlier form of the boxing was actually a square iron block with a hole drilled through, possibly tapered. The wheel hub would have had a square cutout for the block or boxing. While this is only speculation you could be looking for either a short iron block or tappered pipe.

I already learned something from this thread. Now I'm learning more stuff. Stop it. I can't go home today yet, I have things to get done.


 
Posted : January 14, 2016 1:07 pm