Most of the sections in six townships needed to be surveyed.?ÿ Unknown (to me) firm possibly named Whiz, Bang and Associates Surveying roars through slapping inadequate monuments willy nilly throughout the realm then have the audacity to file land survey references reports with the State as if they were worth more than the paper they were printed.
Let's say you need a random pair of corners and go armed with proper research of prior surveys in the area and all, not just the most recent (theirs), LSRR filings.?ÿ Five feet away and two inches deep from their Mag nail in pavement is a bar and cap as reported on earlier work on file both with the County and the State.?ÿ Twelve feet from a cotton spindle in a common unpaved County crushed rock roadbed is an identical circumstance of ignoring all prior work and filings.
There should be an easy way to have this crock of BS stripped from the record before any other surveyor comes along and accepts these erroneous corners.?ÿ This is not a case of grabbing "apparent" corners.?ÿ This is a case of refusing to do any research.?ÿ It makes you think that Worker A jumps out of the pickup and throws a Mag nail or cotton spindle into the air.?ÿ Worker B then drives the "monument" into the roadbed at the point where it stops moving.?ÿ Another wild guess would be that the four extreme corners of a township are somehow determined, then the entire township be made to mathemagically conform to what the Field Notes said happened.?ÿ That's probably not it as some corners would end up so far off the roads you would never find them.
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Mr cow,
I respectfully suggest that if you don't wave your arms at traffic, and warn them that the bridge is out ahead, that you have some responsibility towards those who wind up in the drink.
Do some research. And file an affidavit of fact with your state board. With some photos, if possible.
There are birds, with the old man's stamp, who don't know, what they don't know.
And, some old guys don't care.
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Wind farm outfit?
I AM NOT the surveyor who discovered this issue.?ÿ It is technically hearsay from my position.?ÿ This is one of those cases where someone who is not viewed as a competitor needs to file the complaint.?ÿ The ideal person (position) is currently unfilled.?ÿ I will try to move this along, but it would be at least a year before anything might happen.?ÿ The damage is real but unlikely to be corrected and the erroneous data removd from the records.
I learned of a similar occurrence over 20 years ago involving at least a half dozen counties.?ÿ One county official went after the slipshod perpetrators and forced them to make corrections in his county.?ÿ The excuse attributed to the boots on the ground was they had been given an inadequate budget to do any research.?ÿ It was easy to see how they were not only the "most qualified" but the cheapest by far.
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Funny story. I took a short study break from reading my assignment," Boundary control and legal principles" for a summary of the first two chapters. This was a worth while break. Thank you for the post.?ÿ
Yeah. Sounds like the problem will still get worse before we can make it better. And I believe it will be better.
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I know very little about PLSS.?ÿ I know six townships is pretty huge, which makes me wonder what authority
these folks have to delineate property their client may have no ownership or interest in.?ÿ
Maybe you, and this other fellow could go for a drive. That could convert the heresy, into items of fact.
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Yet again, I read something that makes me thankful I don't tread anywhere near this mysterious PLSS.?ÿ I've no idea how they deal with this stuff, (and don't really want to)
I had that thought because a huge number of wind turbines went up across a county or two near my wife's family land (you see them for miles along I-80), and the company brought in outsiders to do the lease and easement work.?ÿ I don't know anything of the quality of their work. I was told they looked for a monument on her land where things are cadastrally vague, but apparently they didn't set one there.
@jph I deal with the PLSS a lot given my relatively short career thus far, but I can say that something like this really does boil my blood. "Audacity" is the right word, and I share Cow's genuine concern for the effects of such work.?ÿ
I can't abide a survey outfit performing a survey in this manner, let alone setting monuments and blaming a "budget". We all have budgets, but we have to get enough money to do the work properly. That's my responsibility as an LS and if I can't do the work correctly I pass on it. I have to trust other LSs will do the same (although I know some won't).
I work in a recording state, and except for my 3 years in OK my whole career has been in recording environments. And even OK has a form of recording. I assure you that there are surveyors whose products in the record are widely recognized as being pieces of sh.... .... junk.?ÿ They actually serve a purpose in a reverse perverse sort of way.
The only authority that is required is a land surveyors license. Authority to survey doesn't depend on money changing hands from one particular person.?ÿ
@aliquot?ÿ
A few hundred easements will be written using these false corners in support of the contracts held by the company on over 100 properties.
@drew-r?ÿ
As said, I don't really understand the PLSS, but I totally get and agree with you there, man.?ÿ?ÿ
Do the job right, no matter if you figure out halfway through that you really stepped in it with your bid. But you have to finish it right, even if you end up taking a loss.?ÿ
Is there anyone reading the original post who admits to working for a firm that endorses this sort of work product??ÿ If so, why does that firm believe this is acceptable professional practice?
The owner of one of the outfits I worked for in OK would state at the beginning of projects exactly how much profit he was taking from the job, and that we had to complete the project with the remainder, "or else". I didn't pay much attention to that but I got the "or else" a few days after my PC got licensed.
The second place had a somewhat better attitude but played the "see no evil, hear no evil" game - management choosing to stay blissfully unaware of what was going on in the field and in the back room.?ÿ?ÿ
?ÿI worked for several years at one of the larger outfits here in Portland. During those years both of my sons came of age and worked on the field crew for a time.?ÿ Neither one said anything until after they had moved on to other careers and I had moved on to another job. Only then did the stories of the shenanigans going on in the field get told. Some of them made me shudder.?ÿ
in Canada, the Surveyor General (or regional professional chapter) employs a crew that drives around and randomly checks survey corners set as part of recent work. Not finding previously establishes corners comes with hefty fines (multiple thousands of dollars).
i have encountered the same thing where I work, and have taken to setting reference plates on nearby trees or poles marked ??Disputed corner?. I don??t notify my board, as where I am, most of these erroneous corners were set in the late 1980??s and early 1990??s, and have been well documented as being incorrect.
Learned today the surveying firm is based in a State that borders six other States and all but one of those was a State before it was.
If you see a crime, and help them hide, you become a participant.
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