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Jon Payne
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Anyone up to reducing one LHA solar observation?

I have processed one observation several ways with a different answer each time (Carlson, By Hand, Excel, etc...).

It has been entirely too long since I did one of these, so I would appreciate a double check.

Here is the data for a single observation:

Date: 10/23/2013

Lat: 36d 37m 18.8s
Lon: -88d 18m 54.8s

UT1: 18:07:07.363

Angle From Ref Line to sun: 209d 00m 10s

Trailing edge observed.

From an internet search for ephemeris data:

GHA0: 183d 54m 30.5s
GHA24: 183d 56m 33.2s

Decl0: -11d 22m 49.7s
Decl24: -11d 43m 46.6s

SeminDia: 0d 16m 04.5s


 
Posted : October 28, 2013 10:47 am
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Try WolfPack, under computations there is a solar reduction program. C. Ghilani - good stuff, and free.

T.W.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/cdg3/free.htm


 
Posted : October 28, 2013 11:12 am
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What azimuth did you come up with?


 
Posted : October 28, 2013 11:24 am
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What state and what SPC zone


 
Posted : October 28, 2013 3:44 pm
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> What state and what SPC zone
Lat/Long puts it in western Kentucky.


 
Posted : October 28, 2013 5:38 pm

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I could try it in my HP41CX. I know that's right 😉


 
Posted : October 28, 2013 7:38 pm
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I couldn't get my HP 75C program to load into the 75C computer memory, and my old 86B uses the older input data, Equ. of time, etc., so that one would have taken a lot of conversions. Anyway, I used Spade that I have on my Windows computers and came up with a line bearing of N19°42'15"W, but I'm not that familiar with that program, so I may not even be in the ballpark. Spade doesn't give the options to enter the GHA, Decl, Semi-Diameter, so I assumed that it must all be taken care of in the program. My 75C program takes all the input data you provided, which is the reduction program I am most familiar with.


 
Posted : October 28, 2013 8:14 pm
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SPC zone does not even come into play for determining the azimuth or bearing of the line observed.


 
Posted : October 28, 2013 8:16 pm
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I used my trusty HP48gx wit a TDS survey gx card in it.
Results:
Ephemeris method
Shooting left trailing edge
North latitude
West longitude
uT1 truncated at two decimal places in the seconds numbers
Back sight circle 0d 00'00"

AZ = 340d 17' 48.6"

Hope this helps and is useful. I started using GPS only last year, so the hour angle method of direction determination is still fairly fresh on my mind.


 
Posted : October 28, 2013 8:21 pm
charles-l-dowdell
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Harold, we were within 0°00'04" with our calc's.


 
Posted : October 28, 2013 8:25 pm

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:good:


 
Posted : October 28, 2013 8:27 pm
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My HP48 program has the same results as yours.
340° 17' 48.6"


 
Posted : October 29, 2013 5:38 am
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I used the Naval Observatory's MICA program and came up with an azimuth to the center of the sun of 189 39 22.82. After applying the semidiameter I obtained 189 23 18.31. Applying the angle between the line and the sun yielded 340 23 8.31.

The only parameter requested by the MICA program but not stated in by the original poster was the elevation; I used 0.


 
Posted : October 29, 2013 12:16 pm
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Thanks for the help!

I was hoping someone had the old HP programed for the solution.

I was off in the minutes range. I was making a bone headed mistake and using the wrong math function + or - depending on leading or trailing edge being sighted.

I am getting agreement with the several solutions you guys provided now.


 
Posted : October 30, 2013 9:39 am
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Just so no one suspects the MICA program, when I repaired my correction for semidiameter, I got 340°17'50", in agreement with the others.


 
Posted : November 1, 2013 10:04 am