[sarcasm] Does Schonstedt make geiger counters? [/sarcasm]
More seriously, it seems likely the rods were surplus, and I wonder what they were originally used for.
@bill93 I always thought they might have been drill steel or something like that left over from the massive building effort to create the three plants.?ÿ Next time I'm working there I'll take measurements and photos.
I??m way late to this party. But I??d be setting iron rods in the road. Nails are not permanent enough, IMO.
With the newer battery concrete drills all property corners are caps, in pavement, concrete, rock, it's SOP at this point.
At times I would rent core drills and a generator to set points, now that isn't necessary.
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Yeah, I totally get what you mean — Ramset nail+washer combos are super handy when speed is the priority. I’ve used them a few times for quick setups, and they definitely make great control points in the right context.
But yeah, for monumentation, especially in places with stricter standards like LA County, it’s probably not going to cut it. Too many regulations around permanence and accuracy.
Out of curiosity, have you tried any alternatives that work well for both speed and compliance? Always looking for that middle ground!
Do you have any railroad spikes?
After speaking with a paving crew operating cold planers, I can no longer justify setting metal objects in asphalt. Like many PLSs, I'm not fond of witness monuments, but damaging expensive equipment isn't high on my list either. Previously, I set cotton gin spindles as they ring well enough, have a robust divot, and the beveled head and barbs keep them from being pulled out by snowplows.
After speaking with a paving crew operating cold planers, I can no longer justify setting metal objects in asphalt.
The city and county surveyors here in Oregon require the setting of centerline monuments in new subdivisions, and these must be 5/8" rods with aluminum caps. This has lead to the setting of similar centerline monuments being more common practice in resurveys of older subdivisions. I'm sorry, but I don't have a lot of room in my heart for paving crews who grind up centerline monuments.
We don't grow cotton anywhere near Oregon so cotton gin spikes are not a common sight. MAG Spikes serve the same purpose for control marks, but are nearly never used for property corner markers.
The city and county surveyors here in Oregon require the setting of centerline monuments in new subdivisions, and these must be 5/8" rods with aluminum caps. This has lead to the setting of similar centerline monuments being more common practice in resurveys of older subdivisions. I'm sorry, but I don't have a lot of room in my heart for paving crews who grind up centerline monuments
The setting of CL monuments varies around here depending on the municipality. We set mons in accordance with state standards with zero concern for paving crews. In accordance with State Codes the pavers/designers/person in responsible charge needs to have all monument tied prior to possible disturbance, forms created (if in WA) and then replaced after construction. I also have zero concern for pavers.
When paving crews stop paving over monument boxes I'll start to feel a 'little' bit of pity for them.
@murphy Oh those are the best. I still have a 5 gallon bucket full of those. Growing up on the TN MS line many of property corners have a dug out of old gravel roads and even asphalt that was laid on top of the gravel roads. They work well as control points in asphalt parking lots where snow plows are known to run as well. Better than the mag or pk nails that get popped out during snow plowing.
After speaking with a paving crew operating cold planers, I can no longer justify setting metal objects in asphalt.
Zero sympathy from me for those guys. They should be badgering their highway departments to make monument preservation part of the bid package for roadway projects imo. Not only would it protect the public but our marks would allow them to steer around or do whatever they need to do to avoid damaging their equipment on monuments.
I usually purchase gin spindles online, but now that Norman mentioned it, maybe I should stop by gin factory on a rainy day with a bucket and ask for used ones.🤔
If you're not required to set a corner at or near the road centerline, why would the presumption be that it's beneficial to do so? I don't know of anyone who likes dodging traffic or chiseling out asphalt. A corner set on the right of way's boundary is more practical and more useful as it monuments the thing that matters to both the public and the private client, the right of way. I could understand if a PLS placed a monument on the right of way boundary and at the centerline, but only placing a monument at the centerline doesn't seem like the best option.
For those who set monuments near the road centerline, do you also place another on the right of way boundary?
For those who set monuments near the road centerline, do you also place another on the right of way boundary?
Depends. In a platted subdivision the city might want monuments at the PCs and PTs and a lot of time lot corners are perpendicular to those points so they would have monuments too, so yeah you might have 3 monuments at that cross section of road.
In rural areas where a landowner owns to a section line but the state has a right of way easement for a road that runs down the section line we typically set the monuments at the intersection of the side line of the property with the easement, so that way they won't get blown out by roadwork.