This original corner, an iron pipe, managed to survive the construction of a concrete retaining wall. Perhaps the constructor realized its importance.
Anyway we needed to use direct laser reflection to make observations on the edges and got the center and diameter. We were able to verify the diameter with the caliper.
That is damn impressive.?ÿ I mean it is really, how does one get the second monument to be perfectly on when it is up against the erroneous one.
All joking aside, I have seen several subdivisions with monument almost this close to each other by design (or lack there of).?ÿ It is what happens when you let the planners/engineers/landscape artichokes come up with the lot layout and the state statutes require a monument at every corner or angle point.?ÿ
Had one where the engineers designed the road (1960's vintage) with a tangent between curves of about 0.7' they actually cut one of the monument cases and fit it against the other. Wish I'd have taken a pic. When we were doing field review on that road the project engineer said to me "I know where you threw the error" I had a lot of latitude on that tangent. When I first started at that employer, that same engineer had designed a new road based on Lidar shots and had done the same, just figure the tangents and let the program design the curves (all default 200' radius), he had tangents as short as 0.10 feet, I had said to my supervisor "maybe we should make these designers go out and pound rebar, maybe they'll learn to not do this." But I doubt it.
Had one where the engineers designed the road (1960's vintage) with a tangent between curves of about 0.7' they actually cut one of the monument cases and fit it against the other. Wish I'd have taken a pic. When we were doing field review on that road the project engineer said to me "I know where you threw the error" I had a lot of latitude on that tangent. When I first started at that employer, that same engineer had designed a new road based on Lidar shots and had done the same, just figure the tangents and let the program design the curves (all default 200' radius), he had tangents as short as 0.10 feet, I had said to my supervisor "maybe we should make these designers go out and pound rebar, maybe they'll learn to not do this." But I doubt it.
Why not set the PI at that point? I always set the PI if it fits in the road way. One mon is better than two in that case.
Depending on which of the two scenarios you are addressing. In both instances most the PI's would have been inaccessible (such is the nature of the beast in SE Alaska) there are instances where they did set pi's as well as PC's & PT's. I think they should have set just one of the two monuments and used it as a reference for the other, as long as they demonstrated it clearly on the plans. Also to keep in mind at that time of the earlier scenario AKDOT (or whatever they called themselves, may have even still been Bureau of Public Roads), I don't think, had LS's on staff just Engineers who knew how a transit worked and could pull a tape.
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The later instance, in my opinion, is the laziness that comes with the advances in technology, where the designers just let the computer make the model putting little planning and just let the set parameters go and not tweak it for terrain or whatever. Many times I would ask the designers why there proposed fills and cuts were WAAAAAAAY outside of the ROW, they would have that pesky line that just gets in their way frozen in their drawings (sometimes the same with buildings and other structures as well, also didn't help that the guys in the Survey Locations Section didn't take the time to make the surfaces voided in building, so the contours weren't broken and if building lines were frozen, there were still contours so it just looked like ground).
What do you think the response would be; if you asked why?
It's an interesting situation.?ÿ The offender initially called the flagged pin off half a foot and set his pin where he thought it should be (according to his recorded survey).?ÿ Then he either apparently caught his error or someone brought it to his attention, and this is how he corrected it.?ÿ I would like to think the pincushion is the work of a field crew that maybe didn't know any better, but it doesn't explain the lack of an amended ros...
We found one like that when we were in a nearby city. It was obvious that the crew had pulled it out and left it on the bank to install a utility pole. It was an historic marker of a city layout from 1890.
We made a report to the city engineer and asked if there was anything they could do to educates these utility crews. I mean, is the location for a utility pole that precise? I am sure they could have set it ten feet away with no problem.
The city engineer said they could sue the utility for the cost of replacing the monument. That would be a lesson.
@andy-bruner I wish I still had the picture, but I saw where a fence builder used an iron to tighten the h-brace.?ÿ Sent the pic to my boss and said CIRF (capped iron rod found).?ÿ All of the corners were like this.?ÿ His response was "Well @#$@#"
