AI Assistant
Notifications
Clear all

Recorded Deeds One Minute Apart

31 Posts
15 Users
0 Reactions
1,493 Views
eapls2708
(@eapls2708)
Posts: 1907
Member
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

@dave-karoly

Accepting your unstated assumption of a record 200' wide lot, would that 100 feet be more properly measured with the foot based on the record width of the lot or some years or decades later per methods and technology which was unheard of at the time of conveyance?


 
Posted : October 18, 2019 11:39 am
eapls2708
(@eapls2708)
Posts: 1907
Member
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

@mightymoe

The doctrine of after acquired title should clear up that mess, even for a simple-minded recording clerk.


 
Posted : October 18, 2019 11:43 am
aliquot
(@aliquot)
Posts: 2323
Member
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

@dave-karoly

This is correct, but assuming you are in a race state, the key is "C has knowledge". That can be hard to prove. This is one of the few situations where a land surveyor should punt to an attorney. 


 
Posted : October 18, 2019 11:43 am
BStrand
(@bstrand)
Posts: 2739
Member
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

@dave-karoly

The owner of the parcel I would assume.


 
Posted : October 18, 2019 12:08 pm
RADAR
(@dougie)
Posts: 7880
Member
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

@dave-karoly

It would depend on the dedication, I suppose. 


 
Posted : October 18, 2019 12:35 pm

MightyMoe
(@mightymoe)
Posts: 10534
Member
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

@eapls2708

I recommend to clients for any deeds dependent on sequential filings at this courthouse to follow up and take time to be sure it gets in the correct sequence. I'm just finishing up an easement for a client that has 160 acres in three east-west 40s. He has a potential buyer for the east 80 and another for the west 40. The easement crosses the west 40 to supply irrigation water to the east 80. 

If the east 80 buys first he should grant the easement to him, of course prior to selling the west 40. If the west 40 sells first he needs to reserve the easement to later grant to the east 80. 

If it happens at the same time, who knows how it will get entered into the books. 


 
Posted : October 18, 2019 4:11 pm
jamesf1
(@jamesf1)
Posts: 403
Member
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

@dave-karoly

The rights to the streets and easements are granted to the governing authority that is signatory to the plat. The lots are not conveyed until the deeds are recorded.


 
Posted : October 18, 2019 4:45 pm
dave-karoly
(@dave-karoly)
Posts: 11990
Member
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

@eapls2708

The point I’m trying to make is recording sequence does not necessarily control which has superior title in the case of a conflict.


 
Posted : October 18, 2019 6:00 pm
duane-frymire
(@duane-frymire)
Posts: 1923
Member
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

@dave-karoly

No conveyance. It's evidence of intent in subsequent conveyances.  Simultaneous conveyance is one of those legal fiction things. I think the big difference in jurisdictions is some treat it as an equitable rule, while others an evidentiary problem.


 
Posted : October 19, 2019 7:37 am
duane-frymire
(@duane-frymire)
Posts: 1923
Member
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

@dave-karoly

Agreed, and if I recall CA is same as NY, race-notice-inquiry notice.  So even if "C" has not actual knowledge they might be charged with it anyway.


 
Posted : October 19, 2019 7:43 am

dave-karoly
(@dave-karoly)
Posts: 11990
Member
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

@duane-frymire

I’ve never seen the term “simultaneous conveyance” in the legal authorities I have read but maybe I’m not looking in the right places since it more of a title concept which may or may not bear on location. In the few apportionment decisions I have read justify it as a method to restore the lot corners to their original positions in the absence of better evidence.


 
Posted : October 19, 2019 9:09 am
Page 2 / 2