Realtors...

You had me at, Realtors

Never encountered another group who squawk so much about their ethics, as they then proceed with deceptive tactics and underhanded behavior

Boo!

If the person whose seal is on that map is aware of this, and hasn't registered a complaint ......?ÿ ?ÿThe recorder isn't a gatekeeper. They will record whatever is presented as long as it is on the proper sized sheet .....?ÿ

@norman-oklahoma This is my understanding. Recordation really doesn't mean a hill of beans. I'm pretty sure you can record your grocery list if you have a mind to.

@norman-oklahoma As with so many things in surveying, it depends on the state you are in. In Mass. the Register of Deeds is a somewhat limited gatekeeper on recorded documents. They are required by statute to reject an unsigned plan, a retracement plan missing a "no new lot lines" certification, or a land division plan lacking Planning Board signatures. They may also reject deeds that fail to cite that the land is the same as described in a previously recorded deed, or is a lot shown on a recorded plan.

@jph?ÿ

Reminder....there are a few here whom are Realtors....and Surveyors too.

Just a reminder.

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Posted by: @jitterboogie

@jph?ÿ

Reminder....there are a few here whom are Realtors....and Surveyors too.

Just a reminder.

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@jitterboogie?ÿ

I'll assume they're surveyors first, realtors second, and are the few who don't do that kind of crap.?ÿ Probably shunned and ridiculed by the other shysters

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@jph?ÿ

Fair enough.

I'm certainly not defending realtor hijinx for sure.

Put on my real estate cap for a bit this very afternoon while talking with my survey client.?ÿ He had stuck up a sign saying nothing more than, "FOR SALE" and his phone number.?ÿ Two days later he hooks a fish.?ÿ The very next day another fish wanted to be on the hook.?ÿ He told him that spot was taken but he had another spot that he could sell.?ÿ Calls me to do both surveys.?ÿ We finished the one today where the for sale sign was located.?ÿ Then he asks me exactly what he will get from me and what should he do with it.?ÿ That's when I walked him through many of the necessary steps that needed to occur before he would have money in his account.?ÿ He still has a mortgage on the property and the buyer will definitely have a mortgage.?ÿ Told him more about what that entails.?ÿ He had never sold a piece of property before so had little idea of how complicated this process can become.?ÿ Took the opportunity to inform him of my real estate license and explained why I know a little more on the subject than the average bear (a reference to Yogi Bear).

While he was showing me where he wanted the final corners to be, we chatted about several unrelated things.?ÿ One he brought up was how his brother, a former classmate of mine, had lived on this property at one time in the now junk single-wide trailers hidden in the trees.?ÿ I told him of the time in 1987 that I had attended an auction that included the sale of a few acres with a double-wide on it.?ÿ As the bidding starts, I see his brother is bidding on what I had hoped to buy, so I kept quiet.?ÿ Eventually, he quit as the bid was raised by someone I did not know.?ÿ I thought sure he was going to bid again so didn't get my hand up quick enough before the auctioneer announced SOLD.?ÿ After the bidding was done we had a chance to talk about how the sale went.?ÿ Turned out all he cared about was the double-wide and had no use for the land, so didn't want to gamble on being able to sell the land.?ÿ All I cared about was the land but was prepared to gamble on selling off the double-wide.?ÿ Had we ran into each other at the sale prior to the bidding on the property it is very likely we both would have had what we wanted.

As I was about to leave, the buyer came driving up.?ÿ The seller introduces me to the buyer and I say, "I know this man."?ÿ Then I added as I turned toward the seller, "He used to live in the double-wide I was telling you about earlier."?ÿ Absolutely true, but, what a coincidence?!?!

My apologies if I offended any Surveyor Realtors out there. The ones I have met were good people. The vast majority of regular realtors, not so much. I still remember a local realtor (a pushy one at that) explaining to me why his opinion was that "Surveyors are a necessary evil". That conversation years ago likely influences how I perceive the value of realtors today. It is what it is.?ÿ

Around here, the recorder is the one that looks for all the mistakes. They seem to think that they are a surveyor and zoning administrator. It is kind of interesting when the recorder finds an issue and rejects the document when the zoning administrator decided it was minor enough to record.

@stacy-carroll?ÿ

Just remind him that he isn't required for the sale of anything, ever. Surveyors are required, to insure that the non chalant comments he throws out about the fence line, acreages, and boundaries so the public benefits. We'd be doing just fine if there were no realtors. Surveyors who practice in realty are a wholly other group, and definitely raise the bar for the rest, in most ifnot all cases.?ÿ

That's not true in my area @jitterboogie?ÿ There are no survey requirements to transfer property in WA or ID.

@wa-id-surveyor?ÿ

I mispoke or mispresented....

Land has no boundaries without Surveyors except for the natural boundary.

Anyone can sell nearly anything save the ITARS controlled technology etc.

I was trying to point out that with out Surveyors, realtors wouldn't have jobs,?ÿ

Much like tyrannical IT depts, without them we work just fine, with us they don't have jobs.

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my favorite trope among realtors is "MY PASSION is real estate".?ÿ like, really??ÿ?ÿ

current favorite people are all these young commercial attorneys who, more often than not, issue comment response letters as if they were personally enjoined by zoroaster to dictate the terms, language, and certifications on land title surveys.

I'll diverge from the usual "poop on realtors" posts and note they don't all have the same stripes.?ÿ In my experience commercial property realtors (brokers) are top notch professionals and a pleasure to work with.?ÿ Residential realtors, especially the freshly minted empty nested wife looking to augment the household income, um, not so much.

The real estate agent and broker have one goal.?ÿ That is to do what is necessary to complete a real estate transaction.?ÿ They may be a buyer agent or a seller agent or a transaction broker.?ÿ The goal is always the same: Close the deal.?ÿ No closing no money for all the time, effort, and expense that was put forth.?ÿ Try living in that world for a bit.?ÿ You do your job and receive nothing but more experience for the effort.?ÿ No money for baby diapers or a second yacht, depending on the prior success of the agent/broker.

Every stumbling block to getting to a closing is a necessary evil.?ÿ Doesn't matter if it's the termite inspector, land surveyor or appraiser, and plenty of others in certain cases, that finds and reports issues.?ÿ The sale never happens.?ÿ Many times the sale fails because the buyer simply does not have the credit they thought they had and the seller will not drop the price to match the buyer's ability to buy.?ÿ Sometimes the sale fails because the buyer finds a better deal elsewhere and backs out.?ÿ I am aware of a recent listing with an agent who works for a different broker, because I was the surveyor only, where he did all he could to sell a house for $500,000.?ÿ He finally landed one willing buyer.?ÿ The seller added one stipulation, that being that she continue to have access via a certain gate to get to a portion of the pasture land behind the house property because sometimes that is the only way to get to that area after heavy rains.?ÿ The buyer refused to agree to that.?ÿ There was no middle ground.?ÿ Either agree to that occasional access or the deal is off.?ÿ Deal was off.?ÿ This infuriated the seller.?ÿ She did not agree to extend the agency agreement with real estate firm.?ÿ I was paid for my survey work.?ÿ The agent and broker received nothing.

BTW, a bit of education on the term being tossed around by most.?ÿ You pay extra to be able to be so-labeled.?ÿ And, that is a rather large sum for those working part time or not closing enough deals to keep the baby in diapers.

https://www.nar.realtor/about-nar/when-is-a-real-estate-agent-a-realtor

Posted by: @holy-cow

The seller added one stipulation,

That is the kind of thing that would make a broker cynical. If you have a stipulation, say it up front. If she had created an easement benefiting the back property, and not mentioned it beyond that, and done it at the beginning, it would be a lot easier.