Multi task.
I want to set the GPS reciever in a fairly wooded environment, tell it to
OBSERVE.
It now waits until it is FIXED, and then saves every epoch, until it goes float.
Repeats. Does that until it is told to quit.
When you tell it to quit, it then tells you it got X number of FIXED observations, and that they were in X number of groups, (Loss of lock, or float between groups), and that the resulting ellipse is this SHAPE and SIZE, with a graphic, and numbers. Do you wish to save and continue. IF you wish, you can save each group, with its own point number, or you can save the average of all the groups, with a weighted mean taking into account the RMS. (This last option would be if it meets your data quality needs). IF the groups are in 2 basic piles, you could select the average of each pile, and now, MOVE OVER 10', and re-observe, and now you can determine which pile is good. (ASSUMING the piles were too far apart)
When it goes FIXED, it has a tone, which is totally programmable. You can use R2D2's voice, or your wife's voice, or your favorite celebrity. Judge Judy, if you want. For all I care, put put the Hawaii 5-O theme song, for FIXED.
And, when it goes FLOAT, it sounds ANOTHER tone, or noise.
Now, you go set up, tell it observe, and walk 50' away to the 4-wheeler, pull out the deeds, and do some cogo, and store a few new search locations, (While the OBSERVE is going on in the background, with beeps and tones, to tell you how it is going. It would even be nice to have a little monitor on the top of the screen, that tells you how many FIXED and how many FLOAT, and how many GROUPS it has. (While you are doing COGO, and it is OBSERVING in the background) After you look at the data, save the GOOD stuff, you can move on to the next step.
This way, you are working, while it is working.
BTW, a strong long range BLUETOOTH is a serious plus for this scene.
Sit in the truck, while the GPS does it's thing. Leave it working, and go get lunch, come back on the 4-wheeler, and it has a pile of good data, waiting on your approval, and storing. The storing of the ACTUAL coord, occurs under YOUR supervision, and at your selection.
I also want it to stake out line work, whereby you enter a deed, and select a node, endpoint, or int, and it will stake it, without giving it a point number. This way, you can make a multi segmented polyline, and use it to search for property corners.
OK, I can go on, but I want to hear from somebody that wants the same thing, or a company that wants to be "At the top of the class".
Do you want this?
Nate
Yes. I want multitasking and command transparency support. 😉
Sounds good to me. I think I get what you're driving at, that the solution, moment to moment, on the data collectors that I've seen, tend to tell you only what's going on at the moment, i.e. fixed or float, etc.
But, I actually don't know what's going on inside. I mean, if you leave the receiver in one place for a long period of time and observe many epochs of satellite data, doesn't the RMS value continue to get better and better, and isn't it getting better and better because it has more data to base the solution on? If that is correct, then what you're wanting is more control over the decision making process, rather than letting the data collector do all the work according to some black box algorithm?
Al
Yes... and then some. IF you think about it, you are watching it, for say 5 mins. It goes fixed, at 0.25' HRMS, and .3 VRMS, then in about 30 epochs it cooks down to 0.10' and then slowly cooks down to 0.06', then BOOM! it goes float. You just lost all that data, you don't know where it is. POOF it is gone. Then, you do it again, but as soon as it gets down to 0.12' you store it. Then again at 0.09' then again at 0.05' then again at 0.045' then, boom it is gone again. You now have to pick through those 4 shots. (Newer ones allow some averaging)
Instead, with my system, the computer will pick the weighted mean centroid, using the rms at the time of each epoch. And, you CAN turn that into a single point number. Then, the next series that come in fixed, do the same, and the next, and so forth. WITHOUT watching it. So, you are freed up to get witness trees, dig up stuff, cut brush, etc.
And, if it collects 15 piles of data, it can ALSO do the weighted mean thing, and throw out outliers as well, of ALL the piles, and reduce it to ONE point, for an hour or 2 worth of data, along with the error ellipse, and the number of outliers. You can do more, while it works.
I am saying that our data collectors are VERY primitive, compared to what can and will be in the future.
Nate
I agree, the future will be more capable than what we are doing now. But, think of the past, and I think you'll agree that the present is better than the past. I don't mean to say that we shouldn't strive for better in the future, but just that its pretty amazing where we've come.
Just out of curiosity, what sort of data collector/software are you using now?
I'm using a TEE DEE US
TDS, Ranger 200
Just a quick change:
Here is what DOES happen: (Quoted from above)
Yes... and then some. IF you think about it, you are watching it, for say 5 mins. It goes fixed, at 0.25' HRMS, and .3 VRMS, then in about 30 epochs it cooks down to 0.10' and then slowly cooks down to 0.06', then BOOM! it goes float. You just lost all that data, you don't know where it is. POOF it is gone. Then, you do it again, but as soon as it gets down to 0.12' you store it. Then again at 0.09' then again at 0.05' then again at 0.045' then, boom it is gone again. You now have to pick through those 4 shots. (Newer ones allow some averaging)
But, if it simply had a TEMPORARY file, that the last 100 lines went to, then I could go back, and CAPTURE that fixed solution, to compare with.
That would be a baby step, but it would be a good one.
Nate
So you want "Post Processing" in the data collector..
If I'm in the woods trying to get a fix I always record a file
in the receiver and go do something else with the data collector.
I'm sure the day will come that we can do this on site.
Note: I just entered the "RTK" world after 12 years of using the
Locus so my mind is still in "static" mode..
I've done that. But, that's post processed. It works. And, it confirms what I did later. I guess I need to sell the 6 locus units...
N
You are the not only one interested in these types of settings.
These settings exist in Topcon latest release of data collector software called Magnet Field, is an upgrade to TopSurv.
Nate, I had been running 7 Locus for the last decade and bought a pair
of Hiper II's. Kept the Locus thinking I may use them ... sold them all
after 2 months and have not looked back. The Total Station rarely comes
out of the case anymore.
Lee, you said:
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> These settings exist in Topcon latest release of data collector software called Magnet Field, is an upgrade to TopSurv.
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And, I say, WHICH settings?
The ones on your pic?
Or the ones I talked about?
Thank you!
N
Can you get someone from Topcon to explain Canopy Mode ? Not in salesmen s language but a technical explanation. Also, why would you want multipath detection as an option. If they have true multipath detection in their RTK engine why would you turn it off? Canopy mode must have been a software rename for the old Topcon "just give mean answer whether it is right or wrong mode"
Why stop there. If you could plug a deed in at the office, get it a drivers license, robotic legs, and program in fence ties, what-if analysis on whether to go get other corners, find them, come back, download, process, draw map and description and print, fold prints, make invoice, call client, set up meeting time, go over tract with client. Then all you'd have to do is stamp it and collect the fees.
If you're gonna shoot for the moon, use a big enough gun.
You mean your Trimble robot doesnt do that already:-)
Matthew
Try as I might, I can't get that SOB to walk to the next point, get it's own backsight, dig or cut brush. Other than that, Robby is a pretty stand up employee. 🙂
Indeed, those are good questions. Let's find out, let's keep our minds open.
When Leica came up with the technology of "don't worry if your cross-hairs are not in the middle of the prism, the machine knoes what it's doing", a lot of folks scratched their heads too...
Luckily, this board has many very competent contributors, so hopefully, someone will step up to the plate to share their knowledge of these new options.
:beer:
NOT change mountpoints during a survey when I have already set a specific mountpoint in the dialing profile.
OK, another thing I want. While in INVERSE, only 1 more button, called MID, and it MAKES a mid pt between the pts being inversed.
Also, I want polyline prorate. Meaning, that you can have a polyline, and tell it to start at one end, and it will use a scale factor, and create coordinates ON the polyline, made of as many pts as you like.
Faster field cogo.
N
