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Moe Shetty
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what is your interpretation of the following courses? i am uncertain of some of them, and others i suspect are simply wrong and should not have been used:

COURSE AZIMUTH
NE 045, naturally
NE'ly 045, approximately
North by East what's the difference compared to NE?
East by North
NE by E
E by NE

what other odd looking courses have you found?

thanks


 
Posted : January 27, 2015 9:55 am
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Points_of_the_compass#32_cardinal_points


 
Posted : January 27, 2015 10:51 am
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Thanks....that's pretty interesting. I hadn't seen it before


 
Posted : January 27, 2015 11:10 am
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I am curious about calculating the uncertainties when trying to place older deeds on the ground that use the north-northwest type bearings and distances rounded to the nearest foot. This seems to be a good problem for your least squares program?

I don't run across these types of bearings very often.


 
Posted : January 27, 2015 11:33 am
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In the early days of the colonies there were quite a few surveys reported in this manner. Probably because a mariner's compass was being used and the circle was not divided into degrees. Also, the survey was probably being run by a sailor rather than a surveyor. If I can find it I'll post a page from George Washington's student copy book where this was part of his studies.

Here is the page from George's book when he was studying surveying:


 
Posted : January 27, 2015 12:26 pm

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> I am curious about calculating the uncertainties when trying to place older deeds on the ground that use the north-northwest type bearings and distances rounded to the nearest foot. This seems to be a good problem for your least squares program?
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> I don't run across these types of bearings very often.

I don't think I've ever seen the points of a mariner's compass used for directions in any deed or land description in Texas. As far as the uncertainties go, if each direction is assumed to have an actual value that is somewhere within an 11.25 degree band, 5.625 degrees from the nominal median value, then it would be reasonable to give the directions standard errors of about +/- 3.8 degrees since that tolerance would catch about 68% of the 11.25 degree band.


 
Posted : January 27, 2015 12:51 pm
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North by Northwest


 
Posted : January 27, 2015 3:21 pm
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I have seen it once (1900 era) and the deed did not appear to fit anything on the ground, nor were any monuments apparent. Our survey was never performed, but there was some discussion about the uncertainties resulting from the directions given.

It would have been an interesting survey for sure.


 
Posted : January 27, 2015 6:28 pm
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:good:

Did you know there is a house with airstrip on top of Mount Rushmore?


 
Posted : January 27, 2015 7:08 pm
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Yes, and even later deeds might contain compass points if near areas where mariners would be common. I give one to students just to expose them to it. The deed is from Missouri mid 1800's.


 
Posted : January 28, 2015 9:08 am

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Should have been Northwest by North.


 
Posted : January 28, 2015 9:26 am
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> I have seen it once (1900 era) and the deed did not appear to fit anything on the ground, nor were any monuments apparent. Our survey was never performed, but there was some discussion about the uncertainties resulting from the directions given.

Come to think of it, I now recall having seen field notes from a traverse run in the 1830's to map the meanders of a river in which the directions N45°E, S45°E, S45°W, and N45°W were noted as NE, SE, SW, and NW, mostly for compactness.


 
Posted : January 28, 2015 12:41 pm
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Least squares would probably make a good approximation of the courses. However, in these cases one can only hope that there are calls in the deed to controlling monuments so that the uncertainty could potentially be restrained to just a few courses.


 
Posted : January 28, 2015 2:28 pm
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Very interesting. This suggests that use of the mariners' compass was common enough that a surveyor would know how to convert the bearings as a matter of course.

Here's another Washington example (1760). He didn't do the survey on which these bearings appear, but he made a hand copy of the drawing. It's hard to say how both degrees and marine bearings ended up on the same survey, but there they are. Distances seem to be in rods.


 
Posted : January 29, 2015 11:33 pm