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(@ridge)
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Interesting note on survey map.

AREA OF DUAL OWNERSHIP

Not sure exactly what it means, maybe overlap?

 
Posted : October 29, 2013 5:17 pm
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I love it

 
Posted : October 29, 2013 5:35 pm
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Interesting way to label what must be an overlap. Could also be labeled, "Area of Confusion and Uncertainty".

 
Posted : October 29, 2013 7:10 pm
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Like the ancient maps - "There be dragons here."

 
Posted : October 29, 2013 7:15 pm
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Maybe we could have:

No man's land
&
Two man's land

 
Posted : October 29, 2013 9:38 pm
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Could Mean Joint Access Easement

Described that both parcels own it, but only one can.

Look to the words in prior descriptions.

Paul in PA

 
Posted : October 30, 2013 4:02 am
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Maybe the surveyor could not spell "ingress and egress easement" ? Most surveyors are not known for their spelling skills.;-) "Cow........C-O-W-........E-I-E-I-O" :-X

 
Posted : October 30, 2013 4:23 am
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Overlap is likely what he had in mind. "Dual ownership" to me suggests something like joint tenancy. Probably should have said "area of conflict that I am not competent to resolve. It is recommended that a land surveyor's opinion be obtained."

 
Posted : October 30, 2013 4:25 am
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LOL!!!! :good:

 
Posted : October 30, 2013 7:09 am
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It was thoughtful of him to dimension it...

 
Posted : October 30, 2013 7:31 am
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LOL

 
Posted : October 30, 2013 7:35 am
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1757260.5 Sq. Ft. Got to love it!:-P

 
Posted : October 30, 2013 8:37 am
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Not to seem too harsh; but, this is someone who lacks the fundamental understanding that should be required of every surveyor.

It is not just the note. Showing acreage 2 places and square foot to the 1/10th? Really?

As for the note, this is a very poor choice of words. Does he really mean both parties jointly own that area? That is what the note says.

Does he mean an area of conflict? Can't tell from the note.

We can only hope that there is much more explanation of the exact situation (including deed references etc.) somewhere else on the map.

If there is nothing further on the map I would be in favor of requiring this person to take and pass all of the survey licensing exams before allowing them to practice again.

Larry P

 
Posted : October 30, 2013 8:57 am
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> "There be dragons here."

:good:

Good one!

 
Posted : October 30, 2013 9:22 am
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> It is not just the note. Showing acreage 2 places and square foot to the 1/10th? Really?

:good:
I hate it when I see that on areas. It implies ignorance to me.

I also wonder if there is a distinction between "Lot 1" and "Parcel 1". Maybe there is a lotted subdivision vs. a metes-and-bounds parcel? Lots imply simultaneous conveyances to me....which would imply common lines. Could there be a metes-and-bounds parcel that was conveyed that was not the same boundary as the lot? If so, why give it the same parcel number as the lot number.

I would think that a written narrative would be in order to explain what is what, and what is meant by a "dual" ownership.

 
Posted : October 30, 2013 9:33 am
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Jeez, Now I gotta

go listen to "Dazed and Confused".:-)

 
Posted : October 30, 2013 9:49 am
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> Interesting way to label what must be an overlap. Could also be labeled, "Area of Confusion and Uncertainty".

Well, I see that it CONFUSED one surveyor in no UNCERTAIN terms.

Stephen

 
Posted : October 30, 2013 12:43 pm
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> I would think that a written narrative would be in order to explain what is what, and what is meant by a "dual" ownership.

I assume this map is from Utah where a narrative is required. Keep in mind, however, just because one is required doesn't mean it may be worth much, it seems to always be a roll of the dice.

 
Posted : October 30, 2013 3:10 pm
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We are in Sections 30 & 31 so the Lots are GLO Lots. The parcel references are just for the descriptions on the survey plat.

I just posted the note, didn't mean to call attention to the other stuff, but yeah, listing 40 acres of area to the tenth of a square foot is out there. The computer made them do it! I wouldn't put square foot on there at all, if the program did it I'd remove it.

I figured out what the line is at the Area of Dual Ownership. There is more to that story as I found out today. It has to do with some sort of survey error and a whole 160 acre subdivision (14 large lots and common area) staked out about 80 feet to far west. The owner of the GLO lot to the west (a large sheep rancher) noticed the new log fence and inquired into why it was on his land. My hearsay info from today is that the overlap has been handled by the overlaper (a lawyer) paying for an easement to use the land and save the fence.

I don't know what is going to happen when they find out this a survey error, maybe nothing they must have figured that out by now or at least suspected it.

Anyway the survey that I posted the note from did have valuable info I could use in solving my problem and has a tie to a found section corner (GLO stone) that will also be valuable.

 
Posted : October 30, 2013 4:15 pm