Let's talk about it, how far do you go?

Ahem...."pursuit".

:worried:

How hard do you proofread before pressing the button?
I turned off spell check, i, this phone, long ago... It does not know many technical words.
N

Thank Dog for erotic collect!

o_O

It is important to keep your client informed and educated, then let them decide
Short answer: you go as far as your client wants, then stop

of course if this is a hobby then do as you wish...

There are times when you need to come up with a more equitable solution for your client, often they didn't even know they have options.

No doubt each state is a little different, but there are remedies for landowners that are available and can save money and time by using them.

I just finished monumenting one of those.

Of course it helps to have friendly neighbors, when they are fighting sometimes it's best to walk away, especially when it's a former husband and wife that live next to each other,,,,,,,,,,:eek:

Peter Ehlert, post: 446040, member: 60 wrote: you go as far as your client wants, then stop

of course if this is a hobby then do as you wish...

Nooooo!
If your client is a realtor...

The client is not allowed to set my standards.

If I work for you...
This is how long it'll take...
This is how much it'll cost.

Letting client decide this has gotten this whole profession into a ditch... Respectfully!

"You can fire me.
You just can't tell me what to do."
Jessie Stone

I have had many clients to come out or stop by and want to know what I was doing so far away from their project (anywhere from 100 yards to several miles) and on their time.
I tell them and they can understand or not, cause I know they don't want or will take time for schooling as to the true reasons why, unless they press me and actually want it.
There is the expectation that we as surveyors do enough to satisfy the ends to our means in competent and actual hands on actions.

Peter Ehlert, post: 446040, member: 60 wrote: It is important to keep your client informed and educated, then let them decide
Short answer: you go as far as your client wants, then stop

of course if this is a hobby then do as you wish...

No, I won't sign a survey that doesn't meet MY standards. The fact that your client doesn't want to pay for the required research doesn't protect you from the angry adjoiner.

As far as location, I go as far as I need to know I am right, or to know that any one else's guess is not better than mine. As far as measurements go, I don't go further than to ensure there are no blunders. Why charge a client to nail down hundredths when they don't even care about tenths?

Nate The Surveyor, post: 446022, member: 291 wrote: How hard do you proofread before pressing the button?
I turned off spell check, i, this phone, long ago... It does not know many technical words.
N

Mine is turned off as well, and I also turned off auto fill, two very annoying features. LOL!

Peter Ehlert, post: 446040, member: 60 wrote: It is important to keep your client informed and educated, then let them decide
Short answer: you go as far as your client wants, then stop

of course if this is a hobby then do as you wish...

Hobby? LOL!
When I first got into Surveying in the early 80's (purely by accident) I worked as a Rod Man during the week and for a NJDOT PE/LS on weekends and he truly did survey as a hobby. How far do you go? Well, lets just say that he took me far, far into the woods, swamps, briars, poison ivy and all areas chigger infested but the man was a true genius.
I'm off topic but this guy taught me so much and I never will forget him. Without working with him and one other mentor who truly loved teaching I would not be where I am today. He has long ago passed but I think of him every time I am working on a difficult resolution.

I think you all might be reading a bit too much into Peter's comment.

For example, I've prepared some pretty beautiful maps in times past. I can't say that I make every plat I produce to the same level of intricacy. Sometimes the project needs matter to the extras, but not to the essence. If the client doesn't need a full color plat then I'm not going to do a full color plat.

[USER=60]@Peter Ehlert[/USER] I am SURE that is not what you meant... But it was what you said. And, I have run into others who ARE doing what you SAID.
Apologies to Peter, for using his statement.

N

I think what he means is if you have a client that wants well locations located to .01' vertically across a 6 mile area you need to talk him down from that,,,,,,,,
and if the client asks for a survey on his property you need to find out is it a boundary only, an ALTA, an elevation cert, all of the above,,,,,,,
as far as how you survey, I don't have clients that I would work for laying that out for me.

The client hires you, and has a right to outline the scope of work, figure it out up front and if you aren't comfortable, don't take the work.

To some degree, the amount of research being done can be influenced by the compensation and the needs of the client. Some projects I abstract the chain of title on the subject property and adjacent properties and some I do not.

Peter Ehlert, post: 446040, member: 60 wrote: It is important to keep your client informed and educated, then let them decide
Short answer: you go as far as your client wants, then stop

of course if this is a hobby then do as you wish...

I agree. You run into a boundary problem, your client doesn't want to pay to resolve it, survey over.

Shawn Billings, post: 446099, member: 6521 wrote: To some degree, the amount of research being done can be influenced by the compensation and the needs of the client. Some projects I abstract the chain of title on the subject property and adjacent properties and some I do not.

That's a good and honest assessment.

I will keep digging when I know I'm not going to charge the client for the extra time it takes me to make "ME" confident. An example of that took place on Labor Day while searching for a half inch iron bar set for a block corner less than 10 years ago when a Government building was placed on about half of that block. We had a great signal within inches of where we had determined it should be. Go down about six inches and find a mangled piece of cheap metal "U" post. I went after that piece of **** like a man possessed, finally bending it as far away from my search coordinate as possible while discovering it had been set nearly a foot away but the mangling process had put it in our way. At a depth of roughly 15 inches we found the half inch bar, undisturbed, within a couple hundredths of our calculated location.

Then the awkward problem was that we had a large chunk of mangled post invading an otherwise well-manicured lawn area. No big problem. It so happened I had decided to work out of my old farm truck that day with a hydraulic bale spear on the rear. I jumped the curb, positioned one spear directly above the mangled post, attached a short length of heavy chain and pulled the remaining two feet of post out of the ground. Stop by and I'll show you my trophy still laying on the bed of my truck.

Peter Ehlert, post: 446040, member: 60 wrote: It is important to keep your client informed and educated, then let them decide
Short answer: you go as far as your client wants, then stop

of course if this is a hobby then do as you wish...

Examples:
Frank, I got the documents from your Atty. There are 837 pages. That is more than normal. Do you want me to proceed?
Ms. Wilson, I found some ___ when I walked thru the back woods yesterday. To locate and analyze will add about $___ to the cost. Do you want me to proceed?