warren ward PLS CO OK, post: 450087, member: 12536 wrote: TRUE STORIES - PLAT AVAILABLE IN PUBLIC RECORDS: (in rugged, mountainous terrain, original GLO 1878)
- "Found 2" aluminum cap, LS XX, 1994, 3/4" rebar, 1/16 corner, out of position by 0.91'. After careful consideration, accepted as Witness to the corner. (by company using GPS in 2010).
- "Found x cap, supposedly dating back to the 40's, and supposedly controlling the layout of several metes and bounds properties. We can only find records dating back to 1972, including a recorded subdivision utilizing this monument. Can not prove this was set by the original surveyor of the patent. Accepted as center 1/4 corner by 4 local surveyors since 1972. Out of position. After careful consideration, rejected as the center 1/4 corner".
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I just noticed your post, does that happen often there?
MightyMoe, post: 452048, member: 700 wrote: I just noticed your post, does that happen often there?
Yes. Unfortunately this is a PLSS trademark. All of the fences probably line up with the old pipe. What follows is they set another monument 40 feet away from the common fence corner and then flag up a half mile of line parallel to the fence line and offset 40' because that's where the "true" line falls. All of the monuments and occupation are only "witnesses".
There ought to be a law.....
I like abbreviations, as long as there's a legend on the plan. Maybe it's where I do most of my work, there aren't any pin-cushions to speak of. So if someone's plan says, IPS, I'm happy enough to find a pipe, rod, gun barrel, or whatever, most of the time with old flagging tied to it. So there's not much mystery there.
I use SFNF, I suppose it assumes that everyone is diligent. Both me and the following future surveyors. I don't see comments on an R/S check print as some sort of conspiracy to justify map checkers but I'm an optimist at heart, I assume most people care about their job, maybe that's unreasonable. I have never personally executed tasks in my job with the thought that heh heh this will justify my existence.
The purpose of it is that it notifies others using my Survey that I actually searched for that and did not find it. It's not absolutely necessary and I don't always use it but leaving it off could be ambiguous.
Dave Karoly, post: 452131, member: 94 wrote: I don't see comments on an R/S check print as some sort of conspiracy to justify map checkers
I don't see it that way either, but what I do see more than I'd like is the map checker redlining things that are stylistic rather than substantive. When it comes to a Record of Survey, my "that's the way I've always done it" trumps his "that's the way I've always done it."
Mark Mayer, post: 449967, member: 424 wrote: In Oregon IPF = iron pipe found and IRF= iron rod found. In Oklahoma IPF = iron pin found and nobody ever admitted to finding a pipe, so I don't know what that would be.
On lots of old plats but never in the deeds in Arkansas FIP = Found Iron Pipe or Pin and SIP = Set Iron Pipe or Pin
MDR = Metal Detector Reading in Highway Intersections in East Arkansas
Just to clarify from a page back. I never meant the county was "liable". As a matter of fact, they aren't liable for anything. What I was saying is that it's their job to ensure due diligence has been upheld on the survey. There have been times where they pull a map that's been overlooked and say, hey did you look for this? That's all. I appreciate it, even if it becomes a pain at times, it's our double check in our system. Years ago, things just flew in and flew out lacking a proper breakdown, even filing deed lines on a Corner record when not previously mapped, and sliding it through the system without the necessary Record of Survey.
For those who regularly use abbreviations, have you ever stopped to consider that someone other than a surveyor may want to read your map? It makes things very cumbersome if one has to keep going back and forth to your abbreviation table to understand what the map is saying. You might as well write it in a foreign language and provide a URL to a website that can translate. It may make sense to do so if you are putting together a highly detailed topo where space is limited on the map sheet, but most of the time there is plenty of room to spell out the word "found" rather than writing "FD"
Until there is a standard set in place there is really no argument. If an abbreviation is clear and in the legend, I don't find it hard at all to decipher once read. Is it really that hard to browse over on a single sheet Record of survey to study a map legend item? I refuse to argue that one person likes one thing and another likes another. Mapping is an art to me, that at times has very limited space at times without going to a ridiculous scale. If I run out of room- mon table, legend items, details, etc. There isn't a right and wrong if things are spelled out, unless someone can prove otherwise by showing the PLS or Subdivision map act rule/law. I don't disagree with any of this, but at the same time to impose one's ideals on what they prefer to another Surveyor's determination is a complete different topic.
I've seen several who use abbreviations with no legend. In general I still don't like relying on legends but I agree that there are times that it's the best option and that it's largely a matter of opinion. Use of abbreviations with no legend is not a matter of opinion. It should be avoided.
Shawn Billings, post: 452593, member: 6521 wrote: I've seen several who use abbreviations with no legend. In general I still don't like relying on legends
The county surveyor reviewers around here want very detailed descriptions of monuments. "Found iron rod" won't do. It has to be "Found 5/8" iron rod with yellow plastic cap inscribed "McGillicuddy PLS 9999" per Multnomah County Survey Record 55555." Naturally if you had several monuments to describe like that the map would quickly get absurdly cluttered. So a monument table is frequently the way to go.
Agreed that any abbreviations used must be accounted for in a Legend.
Survey Chad, post: 452589, member: 12063 wrote: If an abbreviation is clear and in the legend, I don't find it hard at all to decipher once read. Is it really that hard to browse over on a single sheet Record of survey to study a map legend item?
Yes, of course you don't, you're a surveyor. That is exactly my point. Certainly, there are places for abbreviations when space is tight. Not imposing anything on you, just making comments.
roger_LS, post: 452595, member: 11550 wrote: ...just making comments.
My comment would be:
If I've learned anything in surveying; it's that absolutely NOTHING is absolute...
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If we have anything in common at all; it's that we are all different.
Is this a crazy long thread or what? Leave it to a bunch of surveyors to make 74 posts; trying to tell each other how to describe a Goat Stake!...:innocent:
I hope everyone has a great day! I know I will...
Dougie:clink:
I realize that I'm in the minority with my comments. Straight Data Collector to final map is most efficient. Every second counts and especially when you're getting paid pennies on the dollar.
Roger LS, this is one place the data collector has done us a real dis service.
Only 16, or 20 characters of note.
All data collectors should allow over 100 characters.
Straight out of an old field book:
Set 1/2" rebar, w/ cap, flush
1.9' N to EW F
4.7' N to very old fnc. remains
22.5' S to C/L
I usually retype these notes onto my plats, to remove all or most abreviations.
Some abreviations are long standing, and accepted.
Fd. Is found.
N S E W are directions.
My favorite is
FNSN
Found Nothing Set Nothing
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roger_LS, post: 452586, member: 11550 wrote: For those who regularly use abbreviations, have you ever stopped to consider that someone other than a surveyor may want to read your map? It makes things very cumbersome if one has to keep going back and forth to your abbreviation table to understand what the map is saying. You might as well write it in a foreign language and provide a URL to a website that can translate. It may make sense to do so if you are putting together a highly detailed topo where space is limited on the map sheet, but most of the time there is plenty of room to spell out the word "found" rather than writing "FD"
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Kind of like the LS in your screen name? So it's safe to assume you don't abbreviate Land Surveyor on your plats?[/SARCASM]
