JAVAD Brand

I have only used Javad.

I had a cluster of 6 Locus units. This was designed by Javad

I now have a Topcon Legacy E system. This was designed by Javad, but marketed with the Topcon Name.

I plan to stick to Javad.

Javad USED to work for Charlie Trimble.

His stuff seems to always be ahead of his competitors.

N

Well I have never used Javad equipment so I can't say one way or the other about how it compares to other manufacturers. I remember back in 1989 when I made the decision to get involved with GPS. I went to Sunnyvale to visit both Trimble and Javad. Their offices were close together and at that time they were the only viable players in the market. I ended up going with Trimble. Over the years Javad has come and gone wrapped in various packages. My only concern with purchasing Javad today would be whether it will be here tomorrow.

We purchased two Triumph-1 recievers last year after being Trimble only for years. We run them using a Carlson Surveyor+ and SurvCE. I have also run them as two rovers from a Trimble 5700 base w/TDL. In my opinion these recievers are the best around for the money. Half the price of other systems, will track L1/2 L2C, L5, GLONASS, and others, and are also network compatible. Firmware updates are free, easy to install and support has been great from Jason at Klein Survey Systems.

I have two Javad Triumphs and they work great. We use them in a way that I think would cause Leica and Trimble to have a fit i.e. we set up a remote base and transmit corrections over the internet via the onboard modem (Verizon wireless network).

Why would transmitting corrections via an internet correction as the base give other manufacturers fits?

Because Javad is going to be selling for lot less than the other two brands and is a good piece of equipment. If I were selling GPS units for what you are, and Javad was coming on like this, I would probably have a fit if my career depended on it.

The only real problem I have with Javad, is that TDS won't run it.

Trimble bought up TDS, and excluded them, (who can blame them) But Carlson will run it. I did not like Carlson 3+ yrs ago. Maybe it is growed up enough to work for me now. I will have to try again.

Nate

For $10k can anyone else transmit without an external modem directly to an ip.

The American Surveyor did a review of the Triumph 1 system:

http://www.amerisurv.com/PDF/TheAmericanSurveyor_Billings-JAVADTriumph1_April-May2009.pdf

I was impressed by the precisions that were reported in the review. They are suppose to be reviewing the Triumph LS. I am very interested to see what they have to say about it.

To me buying Javad is same as buying online. A gamble. 1500 miles away, how are they going to help you?

Javad is a brilliant inventor, but he is also an artist, an eccentric. He has been around for ever and still his company hasn't much presence across the land. It will never grow as a stand alone. Why do you think he tagged along with Trimble and then Topcon?

With the larger companies, I can walk in the dealer's office and deal with it. With the larger companies, I can post a question on this board and get an answer from one their vendor / resource person (s).

I understand that you are jaded about a past issue, Frank. Unfortunate. The past is the past, forget about it man.

I have never been able to walk in for service. I live in Tin Buck Two Arkansas.

Tele support is as good as it gets.

N

> I live in Tin Buck Two Arkansas.

Being away from larger centers, to me, that would be a good reason right there to pay extra for something with a solid track record.

> To me buying Javad is same as buying online. A gamble. 1500 miles away, how are they going to help you?

Very simple. Hook your gps to the Internet (cables provided in price of gps) and let the people who designed the software & hardware look a it. Does not get any better than this !

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Yes.

Each base accepts up to 5 rovers without any PC software. All in gprs which is cheaper than gsm (or the equivalents in USA).

Frank,

I think everyone knows that the GNSS market is about to go through some huge changes in hardware and pricing. It is going to be interesting. The changes that are coming are not only in the +/- 2 cm hardware but also across the board into GIS tasks. Without a doubt the marketplace is going to change. There will be market place for many brands according to capabilities, service and support.

> Javad is a brilliant inventor, but he is also an artist, an eccentric. He has been around for ever and still his company hasn't much presence across the land. It will never grow as a stand alone. Why do you think he tagged along with Trimble and then Topcon?
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> With the larger companies, I can walk in the dealer's office and deal with it. With the larger companies, I can post a question on this board and get an answer from one their vendor / resource person (s).
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I agree with your first sentence. He's also a professor, very accessible and loves to explain and debate ideas and processes. He has been around forever regarding precision GNSS. His newest company is still pretty new, but I wouldn't say it won't grow. I also would not say he "tagged along with Trimble and then Topcon". He was the third employee of Charlie Trimble, then he founded Ashtech, then he founded Javad Positioning Systems, which merged with Topcon to become Topcon Positioning Systems. Then he started Javad GNSS. Ashtech was recently bought by Spectra Precision. Topcon Positioning was formed from Topcon optical and Javad Positioning Systems. Almost every major development in GNSS came from the mind of Javad or his incredibly talented team (which has followed him since Ashtech). I would ask, "Who is tagging on to whom?"

Javad isn't perfect. The internet sales approach has failed to reach the US market as he had envisioned with Javad GNSS. Turns out people aren't enthusiastic about buying $25k dollars worth of survey equipment without talking to someone and maybe kicking the tires. He's making some adjustments to his business model that may change all of that. The five licensed surveyors for a support team being a big part of that. I have several good friends who are dealers who are quite knowledgeable about surveying and technology, but I don't find all dealers to be terribly competent though. If I have a question about Brand X GNSS, I'm probably going to be calling Brand X tech support not my dealer. If it quits working, I'm probably going to send it to a repair facility (not the dealer). The market will have to determine if a dealer is worth 30% mark-up in the internet age. I'm not trying to say one way or the other, but the experiment holds promise, I think.

How long will it be

Before Javad is quieted by Trimble, Topcon, Leica or all three combined?

How long will it be

Quite a while once the Triumph 2s start flying off the shelves!

To clarify earlier discussion: There are no internal radios in the dueces, which is fine by me. The only draw back is that the UHF receiver at the rover end is built into the VictorLS DC. But given the price I would still like to kick the tires on a set.