Is this a Survey site or GPS store?

It is cyclical. Last year it was scanners. Next year I predict drones.
Just people being excited about new things.

Scott Ellis, post: 383858, member: 7154 wrote: Is it just me or has this site been less and less about surveying and more about trying to convince others to switch to a equipment brand?

I understand when someone really likes a new piece of equipment they brought and want to tell everyone about it, or when they are about to spend a lot of money and need some help deciding between different equipment.

I can not tell my client I know his boundary is correct because I used XXX brand equipment and not YYY equipment. I will tell him my Survey educate, experience, knowledge is why I signed his survey.

I agree. Kinda tired of the JAVAD this and JAVAD that. Appears this forum is much like the POB Magazine now. All about Javad, his GNSS equipment and why we all should buy into it. In reality only a few hundred surveyors use his gear, and most of them (the original å±200) were funneled into Javads net through this forum. He captured the eye of the solo surveyor on a budget, whom had very little or no experience with GNSS. Now these people are Javads salesman and tech support. They bought into the idea on a beta program offered here a few years ago.

Another thing I like is Mag Hub Nails. However, they should not be called MH
they should maybe be called MN nails, (Magnetic Nail) or some other designation. MH is manhole.
PK is distinctive. I am finding MH nails, called PK's, but that is not quite accurate.

I don't work for those guys either.

N

I have always valued the information here regarding survey equipment and welcome all the recent posts regarding the technology itself. I don't see why people seem to get annoyed at posts about Javad equipment. I don't have any Javad equipment but from what I see it is cutting edge technology and for that reason I want to know more. I think there are more posts on here about Javad recently because of the unique approach the technology takes compared to other brands.

leegreen, post: 383877, member: 2332 wrote: In reality only a few hundred surveyors use his gear, and most of them (the original å±200) were funneled into Javads net through this forum. He captured the eye of the solo surveyor on a budget, whom had very little or no experience with GNSS. Now these people are Javads salesman and tech support. They bought into the idea on a beta program offered here a few years ago.

You make it sound deceptive when I imagine it wasn't. Unless you know something we don't!

Nate is more enthusiastic about his gear than most, but he's just a user, he's not on the Javad payroll. Shawn is also enthusiastic and very knowledgeable about the equipment, and has amply disclosed the fact that he has a business relationship with Javad (though I think it's secondary to his surveying practice).

I'm another user-only of Javad hardware and happy with my purchase, but a lot of my work isn't suitable for RTK, so I'm much less well-versed in the operation of the equipment and thus not very vocal about it. I do appreciate the rate at which its capabilities are evolving, though. I expect the Javad chatter will settle down as the products mature.

I remember when we got our first TDS data collector in 1989. It was new stuff, exciting, and requests for software changes and support were met with alacrity. A couple of years later the product had become mainstream and stable; requests for changes became infrequent but were sometimes honored. Later still the company got swallowed by Trimble and requests for changes disappeared into a black hole.

This ain't my first rodeo, and I'm keeping my expectations reasonable.

I want to share my like for wooden pencils, as I like how they feel over the mechanical pencils between my fingers, and I can tell by a simple glance when I will be running out of lead, instead of it being a surprise in the middle of writing my notes.

leegreen, post: 383877, member: 2332 wrote: I agree. Kinda tired of the JAVAD this and JAVAD that. Appears this forum is much like the POB Magazine now. All about Javad, his GNSS equipment and why we all should buy into it. In reality only a few hundred surveyors use his gear, and most of them (the original å±200) were funneled into Javads net through this forum. He captured the eye of the solo surveyor on a budget, whom had very little or no experience with GNSS. Now these people are Javads salesman and tech support. They bought into the idea on a beta program offered here a few years ago.

Many of us use some aspect of his work, I imagine.

I am on the other side of the OP. Most of the things that are brought up apply to every type of receiver. A certain brand is only the context of the conversation. I like the conversation, and it makes me think about my own practices and uses.

Monte, post: 383900, member: 11913 wrote: I want to share my like for wooden pencils, as I like how they feel over the mechanical pencils between my fingers, and I can tell by a simple glance when I will be running out of lead, instead of it being a surprise in the middle of writing my notes.

And, I am pretty sure I saw a thread about this at one point...What's your favorite pencil?

If inane and useless topics was a crime...we would all be behind bars.

Guilty as charged.

I am a Topcon guy, and very much enjoy what the Mr. Billings and Nate have to say. I wish the users/purveyors of other brands posted in the same way.

Love the posts, keep 'email coming.

Steve

Quite frankly, I do ADDRESS how I used my older gear.
Such knowledge is intensely useful, to some practitioners. Who have and use similar gear.

I KNOW several "one fix wonders" and even WATCHED one watch his data collector, as soon as it said FIX, he Jumped on it, like a goose on a frog. That fix, became HOW he set his corner, with NO double checks. Literally. He took the inverse from that point, to the corner to be set, and set it, and moved along. I watched it.
Now the _____ unit does this on it's own, and that is quite good... anyway, you get the point. I sure don't mean to make anybody raw at me.

I have drug way too much chain, in my lifetime. I started surveying, when I was 7 at 15 cents an hr. It is like getting a ride, after walking 1000 miles.

I hope others can learn what I know.

Nate

I have geomax! Not to excited about it though:(

The equipment if fine it's the dang payment:mad:

And the fact it's been sitting unused for 7 months:sob:

Should have bought a robot:totalstation:

At least there is some activity and new discussion. Too much of the site is stagnant because most of us lurk rather than contribute (myself included). What else are we to talk about? Equipment, software and which brand does what has been a staple of any conversation I've ever been around when more than one surveyor was involved. I would rather see a 100 post a day about guys talking about what their equipment will and won't do, than 1 post of a super surveyor trying to convince himself that everyone else is inferior to him.
The great thing about this site and any other site is that you can scroll right past what doesn't interest you.

Lee, I have been at this bar for about 2 1/2 years now, wasn't untill this January that I became apart of Javad's team. I purchased my Javad equipment and paid full price before ever consulting with Javad. I had other brands before the Javad equipment and havent ever said anything bad about any piece of equipment or manufacturer. I haven't ever tried to sale anybody anything here, although I have responded to interested individuals who ask. I have also never spoke with a support tech while he was eating supper with his wife on their 15th anniversary or on a Sunday morning at 7 am but there are quite of few Javad users that have. My .02'

The world isn't flat nor is it fair. I won't bemoan either. Think what you want. Feel free to share quotes that evidence my infractions. You'll have a $#!+ ton of information and statistics to sift through to find it and I don't think you'll find anything to support the manure you're trying to spread.

Nate The Surveyor, post: 383881, member: 291 wrote: Another thing I like is Mag Hub Nails. However, they should not be called MH
they should maybe be called MN nails, (Magnetic Nail) or some other designation. MH is manhole.
PK is distinctive. I am finding MH nails, called PK's, but that is not quite accurate.

I don't work for those guys either.

N

Nate,
I have been using the MN for a little over a year and going back on some of the earlier jobs I am seeing that they have rusted, previously I was using 60p galvanized nails and they held up for years. I am needing more and trying to decide if I will buy anymore.

Shawn Billings, post: 383935, member: 6521 wrote: The world isn't flat nor is it fair. I won't bemoan either. Think what you want. Feel free to share quotes that evidence my infractions. You'll have a $#!+ ton of information and statistics to sift through to find it and I don't think you'll find anything to support the manure you're trying to spread.

Shawn,

Guilt is self-induced I never said anyone's name or brand in my post, however if you feel guilty and that the post was about you well that's on you. I would not have to shift thru anything to find where you are guilty of breaking the rules on this forum. All anyone would have to do is look at your signature line.

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A friend, who is the survey manager for a small engineering other company here in PDX ,and who isn't too familiar with the ways of GNSS surveys called me the other day asking advice. Lots of outfits here use GPS in a very limited way (and some don't have it at all) because of the ever present tree canopy.

He was looking to upgrade his RTK setup (current unit is a c.2000 Red Green special, held together with so much duct tape I'm not too sure what brand or model it is) and a salesman had presented Spectra Precision saying this unit will do this and this unit will do that, etc., etc. My friend came away from his salesman encounter with the impression that S.P. was the only unit that could do those cool things.

Monte, post: 383900, member: 11913 wrote: I want to share my like for wooden pencils, as I like how they feel over the mechanical pencils between my fingers, and I can tell by a simple glance when I will be running out of lead, instead of it being a surprise in the middle of writing my notes.

I agree on wooden pencils.