Inconvenience Fee

Isn't it our job to figure it out?

Also our job to be clear about what we find and what we set and do the best job possible so the next guy can retrace our steps and understand the decisions made. 

What are the odds of something like this passing?  

I'd bet 0%.  But it would be interesting to have a state digital complaint form that would require fields with your complaint to index them by map name/identifier along with geographic location, tax map info, address, lat long and whatever other geo location that could be added so that it could be an easy part of research that might indicate a report trend on a particular surveyor and a heads up on a particular property.  It could also give the offending surveyor an indication that his work is being criticized as well as create an image of said reported surveyors that they may want to work their way out of with better practices.  idk

@chris-bouffard

Sure.  I expected to be doing more evidence-weighing than proofreading, but maybe that's just silly of me.

@bstrand I was not being sarcastic and poorly prepared reference plans can be a PITA, but in the end we are going to lay the deed on the ground and look for things where we should be looking.

I was following myself today.  What a cluster!

Working in a Section 1 and a Section 7 that share a common corner.  The prior jobs were in Section 2, Section 11, Section 12, Section 18, Section 17, Section 8, Section 5, Section 6 and Section 36 to the north of Section 1.  But, not within either Section 1 or Section 7.  Date of survey ranges from 1999 to 2022.  About two thirds were total station work, with the rest being GPS work.  Also attempting to follow DOT work along the Range Line that was performed about 1957.  Tons of information.  This is going to make a junkyard dog look like a Show Dog champion.  Or, maybe, a cross between a Whippet, a Chihuahua, a Pekingese  and a Wire-Haired Terrier with just a dash of Black Labrador Retriever added by accident.

I'd like to see the board pass a rule saying we can bill other surveyors for confusing or poorly drawn maps.

"Sir, I wasted an hour trying to figure out the dimensions on your map because you didn't crows foot anything, or used half of a crows foot pair, or called out caps but didn't describe them, or showed monuments but didn't say if they were found or set, or <insert other nonsense here>.  You owe me a $150 inconvenience fee.  Thank you."

What are the odds of something like this passing?  

when I worked in pro audio repair, the owner I worked for would either double or triple the estimate based on when the customer brought non functional stuff in, and by opening the device in front of them would conclude the consequences of whomever the interlopers were and what they did before it was sitting on his counter.

crazy? yeah, lead solder is toxic, and he showed the effects... brilliance and experienced he always made sure he didnt lose a dime. and I learned tons.

@bstrand

Give your wife about $2500 bail money and go beat him up.  

@bstrand

Give your wife about $2500 bail money and go beat him up.  

I've often thought that a secret brotherhood of surveyors could be used to "keep honest" our numbers and the quality of drawings that are given to the public.

Too many complaints?  You get a visit at night from a masked group of "brothers" to italicize your professional transgressions.  Group activity could vary proportionately with your level of inadequacy. 😉

ps - I'm really just kidding.  We wouldn't have to use masks...

@bstrand

Give your wife about $2500 bail money and go beat him up.  

I've often thought that a secret brotherhood of surveyors could be used to "keep honest" our numbers and the quality of drawings that are given to the public.

Too many complaints?  You get a visit at night from a masked group of "brothers" to italicize your professional transgressions.  Group activity could vary proportionately with your level of inadequacy. 😉

ps - I'm really just kidding.  We wouldn't have to use masks...

 

 

like this???

I'm all in 

errr   uh   yeah if that was something that wasn't just a figment of his imagination....

😉

@jitterboogie 

Yes like that, but they would all be wearing bright vest with many pockets, and the floor would be a muddy mess of boot prints mixed with small pieces of bright colored flagging remnants.  

@chris-bouffard but if the plat is so unclear we can't figure out where we should be looking and what we shoukd be looking for we have a problem, and if the plat fails to communicate why they thought the boundary was where they put it the land owners may have a problem.

Occasional disagreements are to be expected, but when we fail to communicate with our plats we are failing our clients, our proffesion, and the public trust granted with our licenses. 

@paden-cash     That is true, I once got three calls in a day from the ‘established’ surveyors in town for showing a problem. I did not change any boundary lines, but acknowledge there was not 1320 feet in that ‘40 Acres’. I had gone against the brotherhood.