The first error makes everything else wrong no matter how correctly you do everything else after the first error.
That first error may come from inadequate research. It may come from sloppiness in the field. It may come from making a very common error in the field (using the wrong "thing" that you think is "the" monument, for example). It may occur during the computations. It may occur in the final plat. It may come from handling the client or adjoiners or other workers improperly.
This very sad lesson came to me while being tested in a graphical communications (drafting) class in college. We had a challenge that involved doing one thing, then doing a very specific rotation, then do a second identical thing, then do a rotation, then .............through about six rotations. I made an incredibly simple error in step one. So I was wrong with every result following rotation after that. I went to the instructor and explained what had happened. We then walked through the process that I had used, which was what they were really testing. I had performed the process correctly yet every part of the answer was wrong. He relented and gave me a good deal of partial credit instead of absolutely none. But.........if that had been a survey.....................
Lack of prior planning on behalf of the client does not constitute an emergency on behalf of the surveyor. Some extra effort, sure but certainly not a drop everything else emergency.
Thorough research and recon are more important than getting the numbers right.
If you could tell a newbie one thing...what would it be?
When the party chief tells you to run the level across the bumper so you'll always have a benchmark with you, he's pulling your leg...the only way to set an accurate bumper benchmark is with GPS
I'd tell them to become dentists.....
Yo, Mr. pzsqvmackdx
I know I've seen that name on a jersey somewhere in professional sports. Did you play hockey or football? :-S
Holy Cow, post: 357194, member: 50 wrote: Yo, Mr. pzsqvmackdx
I know I've seen that name on a jersey somewhere in professional sports. Did you play hockey or football? :-S
Oddly enough, that's the name of my dentist
Don't think of Surveying as a mere job, it is a lifestyle and deserves your total attention if you choose to enter.
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I tell them the old bull,young bull story.
Land surveyor is a trusted profession. Be trustworthy, honest, fair and objective. Do your due diligence and do it willingly.
"The only thing you can do right with gloves on, is piss your pants"
Iceman, post: 357202, member: 579 wrote: I tell them the old bull,young bull story.
My mentor told the story many times about the old bull and the young bull and I still repeat it often. Also,he had the one I still use, " Practice the seven P's " (Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance)
I am reminded of a quote from the late Vince Foster. It was included in his commencement address to the University of Arkansas Law School in 1993:
"No victory, no advantage, no fee, no favor ... is worth even a blemish on your reputation for intellect and integrity."
http://fbicover-up.com/starr/starrreport.htm
DDSM:beer:
Several things come to mind; remembering what was told to me:
- Concentrate on doing the best job you can do; doing it quickly will come later.
- If you can take the best trait from every party chief you work with; you will be the best party chief, ever!
- Take care of your equipment and it will take care of you.
- Always do what you say you are going to do; when you say you are going to do it; for the price you said you'd do it for.
Dougie
Shawn Billings, post: 357081, member: 6521 wrote: I'll take an honest ignorant man over a smart dishonest man any day of the week. A survey business must be operated on trust. You violate that trust and it is nearly impossible to be restored. Be honest. The skills and knowledge will follow.
...why so few people get that?!?!
Yeah, Daddy always told me that honesty is ALWAYS the best policy. And if your boss doesn't (value honesty) RUN FORREST, RUN!
Steven Carper, post: 357698, member: 11249 wrote: Yeah, Daddy always told me that honesty is ALWAYS the best policy. And if your boss doesn't (value honesty) RUN FORREST, RUN!
Posting at 5:38AM?on Saturday? I have a hunch why, Welcome to the group!
Dan B. Robison, post: 357349, member: 34 wrote: I am reminded of a quote from the late Vince Foster. It was included in his commencement address to the University of Arkansas Law School in 1993:
"No victory, no advantage, no fee, no favor ... is worth even a blemish on your reputation for intellect and integrity."
http://fbicover-up.com/starr/starrreport.htm
DDSM:beer:
He said that to Lawyers? How did he expect them to make a living? The lawyers brief is a document where they cast all of the issues and law in their client's favor often deliberately misstating or misapplying the law in the process but it's okay because they are representing their client. In theory the other lawyer will convince the Judge otherwise but if the other side is in pro per then that is the opposing counsel's playground.
[USER=94]@Dave Karoly[/USER]
As far as I am concerned, and not that I have or ever would be so foolish so as to use it, pro per is synonymous with instant loss.
ps: your "little Buddy" is growing up!
All the above is such wonderful advice. I would like to figure out how to bookmark this thread, and bring it to the surface, later, for my kids and grandkids.
This whole thread is a treasure.
Nate