I blame management for most of these kind of problems. They hire a person for a job the employee isn't qualified for, and don't train her or him.They (the employees) are just trying to do what they are supposed to do in many cases.
I don't like using 80-scale either for the very same reason that I don't have that scale. Of course I can multiply and I will figure it out if I have to. I like making a few quick checks with a scale on a plat I am reviewing to make sure the plans I am looking at are at the same scale they say they are. Sometimes they aren't. It isn't just plat checkers who can be incompetent.
Scale is merely a method used to make the drawing fit on the paper.
I use most any scale and provide a bar scale along with what 1 inch equals.
I've seen many drawings on record that have been scaled down for them to fit on the attorney's prepared paperwork for recording and it still shows 1" = 100' and what is on paper is close to 1" = 184'
Have also found many that made the drawing plot to fit paper and instead of being 1" = 100' it is actually more like 1" = 94' or 1' = 107'.
Without a definite mandated and legally based drawing requirements spelled out for everyone to abide with, nothing can be turned away.
What bothers me is the information that has been poorly copied or scanned and can hardly be read and does not show everything that was on the original.
Oh well such is the life of a surveyor. The ones I hate are the ones like some counties in New Mexico that want to specify the scale and the size of the sheet of paper. Just love the states that require review and or recording plats, all you get to do is try to educated idiots that think they are all knowing and all powerful. For the record I never use a scale that is not on a standard Engineers scale, as per one of my mentors. " It should be malfeasance, we are the Experts and the Professionals and we should act accordingly. " When you do something that requires a layperson to use rational and analytical thought no matter their title are we really acting professionally?
I've never used a scale. A ruler works for all scales, even if the the plat has been shrunk or enlarged.
I <3 80 scale. It's just such a huge jump from 60 to 100. I myself have never understood the resistance.
Jim in AZ, post: 393133, member: 249 wrote: Got a call from a local County reviewer yesterday. She is reviewing a Parcel Split map that has been sitting in her office for 3 weeks... She says "I wonder if you could do me a favor?" "Well, I can trey" I said. "Your map is drawn at 1"=80', and I am having a hard time because my scale only goes up to 60" she says. "Could you plot it at 1"=60' so I can check it."
My jaw hit the floor and an awkward silence followed. I was absolutely, truly speechless. I think she began to understand the silence, and she said "I know you can use the other scales somehow, but it's too hard and I always get confused."
I'm still somewhat in a state of shock... and yes, I did plot her 1"=60' scale drawing...
I've taken to leaving the text description out. Just put a bar scale and anyone can use a stick, pencil, etc. without getting confused.
What's wrong with 90? Use the 30 to figure it out.
can't an Arc 1/8 scale be used??? just wondering
Holy Cow, post: 393236, member: 50 wrote: What's wrong with 90? Use the 30 to figure it out.
I'm partial to 1"=120' and 1"=150'. Together, they allow use of the 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, and 60 scale sides of my scale :).
These are our official guidelines.
Scales
Plans should be drawn at a suitable scale to balance the clarity of the detail with the physical limitation of space available, however an over-riding factor is that each lot defined must be shown in its entirety on at least one sheet of the plan.
A suitable scale should be selected from the following range of preferred scale options, and must be noted in the space provided on the plan:
1:100
1:125
1:150
1:200
1:250
1:300
1:400
1:500
1:600
1:750
1:800
1:900
1:1000
and multiples of ten of the above
All of the guidelines are here ( http://dpipwe.tas.gov.au/land-tasmania/land-titles-office/plan-documentation/plan-registration-guidelines ).
Jim in AZ, post: 393133, member: 249 wrote: Got a call from a local County reviewer yesterday. She is reviewing a Parcel Split map that has been sitting in her office for 3 weeks... She says "I wonder if you could do me a favor?" "Well, I can trey" I said. "Your map is drawn at 1"=80', and I am having a hard time because my scale only goes up to 60" she says. "Could you plot it at 1"=60' so I can check it."
My jaw hit the floor and an awkward silence followed. I was absolutely, truly speechless. I think she began to understand the silence, and she said "I know you can use the other scales somehow, but it's too hard and I always get confused."
I'm still somewhat in a state of shock... and yes, I did plot her 1"=60' scale drawing...
How's about 1"=40' x 2.
Scott Ellis, post: 393169, member: 7154 wrote: That is true about the 10 scale. I was making a point that sometimes you are going to have to mult the scale. and I never use my 10 scale since it is broken on my scale bar, so I have been using the 50, been doing it for years and kinda forgot about just using the 10.
Scott, sorry that just made me laugh.. We surveyors are pretty damn funny. Why buy a new scale? I almost bought a new shovel the other day after 8 years, then I just walked away, it's just a little bent up!
I'm a land surveyor and I very rarely break out a scale to lay on any modern map. I find it hard to believe that there are too many users of our work product that do so, either.
Most users wind up with some scaled down version they got electronically, anyhow. I always put a graphic scale on my map. Not sure if the reviewer had a graphic scale to refer to on the map she was reviewing but if so she could have just run the graphic scale on the map through the copier and had her own scale to use for her review. In my opinion, anyone reviewing maps with any authority should have gotten through that hurdle on their own. Nonetheless, I would have been accommodating if other suggestions were falling flat.
Licensed Land Surveyor
Finger Lakes Region, Upstate New York
Try explaining scales of Varas. First off, many assume a regular scale won't work, that it takes a magical scale. Second, if they are printing them onsite, so that to be printed properly, they have to be printed at an odd number of feet. For example, to print a map at 1" equals 500 Vara, you scale the plot at 1"=1388'
Wouldn't a scale bar with say 10 ft markings on the drawing solve that problem?
I have decided that many people are not properly trained to print from Autocad either.
All of us know we can (and do) set drawings up a particular scales, and can (and do) print at whatever scale we desire to make the drawing fit the paper.
But, I have come across numerous drawings that have been modified.... such as the item itself scaled to double the original size. There are clients who do that all the time.
I was taught to draft at 1:1 and use the functions in the print dialogue to accomplish printing at an appropriate scale. It absolutely baffles me that people modify the part itself.
Seb, post: 393240, member: 7509 wrote: These are our official guidelines.
Scales
Plans should be drawn at a suitable scale to balance the clarity of the detail with the physical limitation of space available, however an over-riding factor is that each lot defined must be shown in its entirety on at least one sheet of the plan.A suitable scale should be selected from the following range of preferred scale options, and must be noted in the space provided on the plan:
1:100
1:125
1:150
1:200
1:250
1:300
1:400
1:500
1:600
1:750
1:800
1:900
1:1000
and multiples of ten of the aboveAll of the guidelines are here ( http://dpipwe.tas.gov.au/land-tasmania/land-titles-office/plan-documentation/plan-registration-guidelines ).
We should possibly go to that kind of fractional ratio scale around here...but we are so hooked on "inches" that it just would never go over. You shure have a lot wider selection when it's all ratios ending in multiples of 10
