The map is already recorded, we usually show 3/4" Iron Pipes set on the corner. In order to change the character of the monument set I have to file a certificate of correction.
Recording plats before setting monuments means that you must comply with what you say you did.
Buckleup and ride it till it''s done right.
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That is one reason I NEVER EVER let a plat go out before the monuments are set.
That is one reason I NEVER EVER let a plat go out before the monuments are set.
Well, subdivisions with subsequent constructions destroy your points no matter how much warning you give them, so marking before construction is not preferred. on the other side the map should be recorded before the construction starts.
That is one reason I NEVER EVER let a plat go out before the monuments are set.
Well, subdivisions with subsequent constructions destroy your points no matter how much warning you give them, so marking before construction is not preferred. on the other side the map should be recorded before the construction starts.
It's the catch 22 of modern surveying, sometimes they will strip the entire site and then rework the grading for all the lots, nothing is left. We try to explain to a "new" developer that we have to set monuments after construction so build the costs into the dirt work. The last guy kinda forgot and we just had to go out to the site and stake it all.?ÿOf course, new house construction will probably knock out a number of them again, but once they are in the first time our part is finished.
Set them. ?ÿFile the plat and get paid. ?ÿWhen the fools let them get destroyed, get paid to reset them. ?ÿNEVER file the plat before setting the monuments.
Is a pipe needed for that location??ÿ Does your area have customs or provisions for setting other types of monuments??ÿ In Oregon, ORS 92.060(3) allows for other types of monuments.
(3) All lot and parcel corners except lot corners of cemetery lots must be marked with monuments of either galvanized iron pipe not less than one-half inch inside diameter or iron or steel rods not less than five-eighths inch in least dimension and not less than 24 inches long. When setting a required monument is impracticable under the circumstances:
?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ (a) The surveyor may set another type of monument; or
?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ (b) The county surveyor may waive the setting of the monument.
See 92.060(3): https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/92.060
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That is an old, and I mean really old, version of the statute.?ÿ Since I can remember the Oregon requirements for subdivision or partition plat corners are 5/8" x 30" rebar or 3/4"ID x 30" pipe.
For concrete, the Berntsen type copper plug or brass screws with washer are expectable in all the counties where I have worked.
That being said, a Bosche rotar-hammer makes short work of drilling holes for a 5/8"IR or copper plug.
Is it old??ÿ This legit looking .gov site makes ORS 92.060(3) seem current as of 2017, https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/bills_laws/ors/ors092.html.?ÿ
But you're correct that no one sets 24" for anything because of ORS 92.060 (1) and (2) which specify other requirements for other types of corners and it is just easier to have 30" which works for all locations and purposes.?ÿ
The setting of another type of monument per ORS 92.060(3)a, which you also pointed out, was supposed to the be the emphasis.?ÿ
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Best regards, Eli
Eli,
I stand corrected.?ÿ In the 29 years I've been surveying in Oregon I don't think I've every set anything but 5/8"x30" iron rods, unless they hit bed rock or something and needed to be cut.?ÿ I'm not sure I've even seen a survey recorded with 24" rods noted.?ÿ
Set the monuments, file the plats and let the developer deal with what happens next.
Set the monuments, file the plats and let the developer deal with what happens next.
Oregon allows the original surveyor to reestablish subdivision monuments with an affidavit for two years after filing the subdivision.?ÿ
ORS 92.070 (5), https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/92.070
That can be one approach to set the monuments, file the plat, developer bulldozes the monuments.?ÿ
Going the post monumentation route, setting the interior pins after construction, should eliminate the need for resets do to construction activity.?ÿ After the interior monuments have been set then anything else should be on the owners dime.
Assuming that the contractor or client is footing the bill since they wiped out the original corner, why not just set a new monument of a convenient type and record new survey.?ÿ That would give notice to future surveyors that the original plat corner they found in the concrete footing was in fact in the correct location.
Going the post monumentation route, setting the interior pins after construction, should eliminate the need for resets do to construction activity.?ÿ After the interior monuments have been set then anything else should be on the owners dime.
Assuming that the contractor or client is footing the bill since they wiped out the original corner, why not just set a new monument of a convenient type and record new survey.?ÿ That would give notice to future surveyors that the original plat corner they found in the concrete footing was in fact in the correct location.
Most Cities in Santa Clara County (CA) require only the exterior corners to be set. These corners are often destroyed because of construction of new fence or wall. Setting corners before construction is easier for me ( no obstruction, no construction going on), but if I want to reset destroyed corners I'm almost certain I can't reset original corners and need to set an offset and file a COC.
Things have changed from days gone by. Normally the topsoil is stripped for the whole site, grading is done to the site finished topo and then roads are cut in. At that point corners can be set, if you do it before they will all be gone. The boundary has to be done for the exterior of the plat but the developer isn't going to spend the money up front for the topsoil removal and grading. Can't blame him, if the plat isn't approved then it's a total waste of money.
So after the plat is approved and filed, the grading finished, then the corners get staked. Still utilities get dug in and that will take a few of them, but they need to be careful, replacing those is on the contractor.
It's pointless to set them before hand so the local boards allow it to be done after approval.
From my experience, not that I do a lot of land development work, the exterior boundary is monumented prior to recording of the plat.?ÿ Then once mass grading, road construction and utilities is complete, the interior monuments are set and checked.?ÿ This is prior to the home builders getting on site so the site is usually open.?ÿ For this to take place the developer needs to provide a bond to cover the cost of monumenting by the county should they not be set by the specified date.
One nice thing is that plat monuments in Oregon are supposed to have a 1' utility exclusion zone.?ÿ That being said, the new subdivision down the street has a gas riser up against a brand new lot corner.
I don't see a lot of the post monumentation, it seems developers don't like the bond.?ÿ But that could be a perfect option in some scenarios.?ÿ Don't see many affidavits either.?ÿ
As Nate was saying. putting a hammer to the footing does work.?ÿ
You can also drive a 5/8"ir ?ÿthrough most footings around here.?ÿ
This post reminds me of my early days surveying....There was an older gentleman that was a career Rodman, and pretty sure he was an X-Con. I Saw him on many occasions drive a 2x2x12 oak hub through asphalt on those hot midwest days. They never split. He could drive a 36" lath flush without it breaking - one right after the other...one-handed. Give it a try. His favorite tool was a 8lb sledge with a 16" handle.
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"This post reminds me of my early days surveying....There was an older gentleman that was a career Rodman, and pretty sure he was an X-Con. I Saw him on many occasions drive a 2x2x12 oak hub through asphalt on those hot midwest days. They never split. He could drive a 36" lath flush without it breaking - one right after the other...one-handed. Give it a try. His favorite tool was a 8lb sledge with a 16" handle."
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I'll bet his name was Ted.........?ÿ
From my experience, not that I do a lot of land development work, the exterior boundary is monumented prior to recording of the plat.?ÿ Then once mass grading, road construction and utilities is complete, the interior monuments are set and checked.?ÿ This is prior to the home builders getting on site so the site is usually open.?ÿ For this to take place the developer needs to provide a bond to cover the cost of monumenting by the county should they not be set by the specified date.
One nice thing is that plat monuments in Oregon are supposed to have a 1' utility exclusion zone.?ÿ That being said, the new subdivision down the street has a gas riser up against a brand new lot corner.
You have described the Oregonian procedure well. Back when I worked in British Columbia (it's been a while, maybe it's changed by now) the procedure was to set all the monuments an file the plat. We often set the lot monuments in the woods before the land was even cleared of trees. Naturally they mostly all got destroyed as soon as clearing operations began. But the developers needed the plat recorded before they could get construction financing, and the corners needed to be set before the plat could be recorded. There was a process for doing a post monumented plat but it added a whole layer at the provincial level to the already protracted approval process. So we just put the corners in pro-forma and then did a re-posting?ÿ (with recorded plan) after the improvements were in. Sometimes.?ÿ ?ÿ?ÿ
Use water for lubrication. Works wonders.?ÿ
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Use water for lubrication. Works wonders.?ÿ
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