Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 (American Standard Version):
3 For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven: 2 a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3 a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4 a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5 a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; 6 a time to seek, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; 7 a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8 a time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace.
I would add: A time to layout the Deed and a time to recognize inaccuracies and accept the established boundaries.
A time to do it sorta like Francis H... but I'd tie more than 3...
I'm at a loss for an explanation of FrancisH's motives here. Perhaps he was once licensed in the US, but had his license yanked for ignorance and malpractice and is forever bitter. I'm also at a loss for the overall point he is trying to make other than that the entirety of US surveyor's don't have a clue what they are doing. It's kind of like that old saying, "I'm not crazy, just the rest of the world is"
Roger, FrancisH is a made up name. He is a US surveyor, who is "Wearing a hat" he is playing a role. The role of a NEW instrument man, who thinks he has it all figured out, but has nothing figured out.
He can run the gun, data collector, and work where the world is already solved.
That's my take on him.
He is probably one of us, having fun with us.
That's my opinion, thus far....
Carry on...
N
roger_LS, post: 400232, member: 11550 wrote: I'm at a loss for an explanation of FrancisH's motives here. Perhaps he was once licensed in the US, but had his license yanked for ignorance and malpractice and is forever bitter. I'm also at a loss for the overall point he is trying to make other than that the entirety of US surveyor's don't have a clue what they are doing. It's kind of like that old saying, "I'm not crazy, just the rest of the world is"
You are trying to make the irrational, rational, won't work very well ;-).
I've looked at clouds from both sides now...
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I really don't know clouds at all......
While he spews out irrational nonsense, he is not alone in his general critique of American land surveyors being incompetent. Jeff Lucas devotes half a book to the subject and this forum is filled with deprecation about the state of surveyors in this country. Personally, I'm not on board with it as indulging in this negativity brings no progress to the advancement of the profession.
roger_LS, post: 400240, member: 11550 wrote: While he spews out irrational nonsense, he is not alone in his general critique of American land surveyors being incompetent. Jeff Lucas devotes half a book to the subject and this forum is filled with deprecation about the state of surveyors in this country. Personally, I'm not on board with it as indulging in this negativity brings no progress to the advancement of the profession.
I would slightly disagree in that I don't think his philosophy is all that "irrational" per se. I think he is working under the same logic many surveyors starting out might have. He has the tone of a guy who isn't licensed yet or perhaps (as he claims) in another standard and system and thinks he knows more than everyone else. I agree with everything else, though. Once you figure out that you're right and no one else might have anything you can learn from, you tend to be negative like that, and think you have all the answers. He definitely has the characteristics of someone who will never have an epiphany or learn anything new.
Lesson: pay attention to the "deplorables"?
Can we view IP addresses on posts here?!?
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The many IP addresses used by FrancisH all come from the Philippines.
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Many terrorists and radical operatives operate from that area.
Don't worry about terrorism, lazy surveyors are worse, you can lose your land because of them.
Some have said that terrain of US is difficult to survey, but 70% of it are open flat lands. The midwest portion iare grassland and prairie right?
Also PLSS lots were cut in north/south and west/east orientation. That in itself solves errors in non horizontal/vertical corner positions.
I mean you guys were given a system that really eliminated majority of error sources to make your job easier and you still bungled it.
I skipped to the end of the book. I never was much for reading thick books. I only have two questions:
1. In the case of the line that measured 99.5' instead of the call for 100', did we ever find out which stake to move 0.5'?
2. More importantly than the question above: with so many responses, did we ever achieve Godwin's Law? Surely by now, someone has been called a Nazi. If not, I nominate [USER=20]@paden cash[/USER]. Not because I think he's a Nazi, but because every acrimonious internet conversation must eventually end with someone being referred to as a Nazi. I'm pretty sure that's the only way to let the dead horse lay. (Paden, no offense intended, I'll take the next one).
Nate The Surveyor, post: 400233, member: 291 wrote: Roger, FrancisH is a made up name. He is a US surveyor, who is "Wearing a hat" he is playing a role. The role of a NEW instrument man, who thinks he has it all figured out, but has nothing figured out.
He can run the gun, data collector, and work where the world is already solved.That's my take on him.
He is probably one of us, having fun with us.
That's my opinion, thus far....
Carry on...
N
And playing the part quite well. Reading back through some of this thread, in between the insults, there are valid critiques of us surveyors here. This is someone far more sophisticated than an initial gut reaction might leave you with.
Gee, I wonder who it could be?
Shawn Billings, post: 400359, member: 6521 wrote: I skipped to the end of the book. I never was much for reading thick books. I only have two questions:
1. In the case of the line that measured 99.5' instead of the call for 100', did we ever find out which stake to move 0.5'?
2. More importantly than the question above: with so many responses, did we ever achieve Godwin's Law? Surely by now, someone has been called a Nazi. If not, I nominate [USER=20]@paden cash[/USER]. Not because I think he's a Nazi, but because every acrimonious internet conversation must eventually end with someone being referred to as a Nazi. I'm pretty sure that's the only way to let the dead horse lay. (Paden, no offense intended, I'll take the next one).
Actually I called Francis a commie (with some colorful adjectives) a couple of days ago, but the administrator pulled my post.
FrancisH should probably sign all his posts "the devils advocate". Or, "a contrary point of view."
He should've used the same country as that where his offshore VPN was hosted. Dummy.
Could this last post about moving monuments be FrancisH?
http://clsaforum.californiasurveyors.org/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3012&start=25
FrancisH, post: 400332, member: 10211 wrote: Don't worry about terrorism, lazy surveyors are worse, you can lose your land because of them..
I usually end up giving my clients more land than their deed says...that's how I roll.
I usually end up giving my clients more land than their deed says...that's how I roll.
Not an intelligent thing for a professional surveyor to be saying in a public forum. Have you thought WHERE those EXTRA land came from?
If your client gains then someone must have lost same amount of land. Land is finite, you can't have everyone in the US have MORE land.
Someone mentioned about competence of US surveyors?