Monte, post: 397975, member: 11913 wrote: The link I followed led me to a memo that basically said if a private property encroached onto a state property, the private property owner had to have his problem fixed. That doesn't seem to fit with what I thought we were talking about.
Just go from the bottle cap as long as it is at least 200' away.
But sir, your reference yields to section 12 which I referenced before, it would appear that your code does allow for professional judgement and not simply math calc, by your own reference.................
actually please read into it, revisions are allowed because the Cadastral Survey itself was faulty. In short measurements were wrong DURING the cadastral survey. Once it was approved, the maps govern.
section D refers to an agreement between lot owners. in short during the cadastral survey, they agreed to a common boundary but later changed it willingly. in short there is no encroachments between their lots. they just wish to move it voluntarily. which is allowed in any cadastral system.
The link I followed led me to a memo that basically said if a private property encroached onto a state property, the private property owner had to have his problem fixed. That doesn't seem to fit with what I thought we were talking about.
we are talking about what will govern in cases that there are discrepancies between deed and monuments. even if it is state lands, they still follow what is written on descriptions even if monuments say otherwise.
how do you determine if a monument's position is a blunder?isn't it be comparing it to deed?
problem in US is that there are no monument BLUNDER. all monuments are correctly placed because you believe that because it is where it is today, it was placed there for a purpose. this approach based on Cooley's essay esentially says there are no wrong corners in the US PLSS
FrancisH, post: 397977, member: 10211 wrote: actually please read into it, revisions are allowed because the Cadastral Survey itself was faulty. In short measurements were wrong DURING the cadastral survey. Once it was approved, the maps govern.
section D refers to an agreement between lot owners. in short during the cadastral survey, they agreed to a common boundary but later changed it willingly. in short there is no encroachments between their lots. they just wish to move it voluntarily. which is allowed in any cadastral system.
And for comparison purposes, WHAT DEFINES FAULTY? Again it would seem your statues allow for professional judgement and not simply MATH.
And for comparison purposes, WHAT DEFINES FAULTY? Again it would seem your statues allow for professional judgement and not simply MATH.
if it is found to be due to inaccuracy in the survey caused by error in measuring the angles or the sides of the land or in plotting the survey or in the process of conversion and adjustment under section
all are based on field measurements, no professional judgement mentioned.
FrancisH, its been an interesting conversation, I wish you the best, as a short recap (already spent more time on this than I intended), in the US we are charged with investigating the boundary location, the things you underlined and made made bold above can only be determined through investigation and professional judgement.
I took a look at the statistics page and this thread is now #1 replied to all time.
I think I will leave it here. If you US surveyors don't get what is wrong with your system after all these answers then
it is no longer my concern.
Keep on blaming the law, Cooley's essay and that poor government land surveyor who did the original PLSS some 200 years
ago.
But think it over and ask yourself what part are you playing as present US surveyor to better the situation.
You are after all a "Professional Surveyor", there are enough lawyers around. We need people who can measure correctly and layout correctly lot corners on the ground that conform with their respective plats.
You just go ahead and measure correctly and layout correctly your lot corners, while we here in America will take care of our real boundary surveying. 
How is what you have described from a distant shore wrong with what we have to deal with?
From personal experience and observation, measurement methods here have evolved commensurate with the rest of the world.
Again, your views seem jaundiced based upon a narrow data stream.
Best regards,
FrancisH, post: 397988, member: 10211 wrote: that conform with their respective plats.
FrancisH, post: 397988, member: 10211 wrote: Keep on blaming...
Your characterization of people "blaming" is incorrect.
You know, Mr Francis, you appear to be out of order here. You have made blanket, and grievous accusations, of professional surveyors, in another country, with only your personal logic to back you up. I have found a number of scams in this world. But, to accuse a whole room full of surveyors of being scammers, without real life knowledge is cutting off the limb you sit on. No problem, but you might consider. Things might not be as you assume. The patron saint of surveyors is "Out lady of assumption". You are sitting thick with her to-nite.
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BK9196, post: 397986, member: 12217 wrote: FrancisH, its been an interesting conversation, I wish you the best, as a short recap (already spent more time on this than I intended), in the US we are charged with investigating the boundary location, the things you underlined and made made bold above can only be determined through investigation and professional judgement.
I was hoping to see something on the "match at least three monuments to within 1.5cm on adjacent boundaries" law
Well, we have crowned the "King of the Trolls" here on BeerLeg and he isn't even from the US. I warned ya'll about getting in the mud to wrestle a pig.
It was better than the "Bogus Theory" thread though.
I wondered all along if he might actually be one of our own having fun with us. Some characters here have been known to do such things before.
Holy Cow, post: 398163, member: 50 wrote: I wondered all along if he might actually be one of our own having fun with us. Some characters here have been known to do such things before.
He was pretty good @ pointing out laws and other items to just be a troll.
I think he is an American, too many American colloquialisms slipped out.
BK9196 flushed him out pretty quickly LOL.
I can't hardly believe I made it thru all that without posting a meme that Wendell would of been very upset with me about.
Dave Karoly, post: 398170, member: 94 wrote: I think he is an American, too many American colloquialisms slipped out.
BK9196 flushed him out pretty quickly LOL.
Yep. He knew just what buttons to push.
Dave Karoly, post: 398170, member: 94 wrote: I think he is an American, too many American colloquialisms slipped out.
BK9196 flushed him out pretty quickly LOL.
Western colloquialisms maybe, but possible not specifically North American. Very, very few uses of the word "the" in some of his posts; and adverbs followed verbs in a lot of cases. My sleuthful opinion is that possibly indicates someone with a first language of an Asian variety, but maybe educated in a more western atmosphere. I did find a candidate that fit a lot of my assumed criteria. Something I had not considered was an older gent. His fiery retorts made me think him a youthful individual, but his command of logic in his arguments indicated someone that listens before they speak, not usually an indication of youth.
Here's my best guess:
Goodnight Francis, wherever you are....
