@mark-mayer?ÿ ?ÿI LOVE GIS, it has made this old ground based surveyor, with 10 year old GPS equipment, a lot of money.
Exactly!?ÿ I remember in the mid to late 90s when surveyors held nothing but contempt for GIS.?ÿ And yes, they would always quip that the real meaning of GIS was "Get It Surveyed".?ÿ ?ÿThe Marine Corps taught me to build the data in a GIS with survey data.?ÿ Silly how few ever sought to build trusted datasets from survey data.
I'm not speaking for mark but I surmise that the dripping sarcastic tone was missed here.
I often use the "get it surveyed" tag as one of my instructors used it in GIS courses and his dad was a licensed surveyor.
I also posit the same as "Got it Surveyed" stolen from a POB article or maybe XYHT about how it's important to use GIS?ÿ and population of said with real survey data is the best for both worlds.
Remember we're in this together.
Right, but where do you measure on the building to what point on the creek??ÿ A site plan could show all of that.?ÿ Or maybe the folks at the city don't think that far ahead... ????ÿ
Good news. The client met with the town today and got a permit to reconstruct his garage. He wants to get it surveyed anyway, so we all win.
By the way, it is just a garage to park his car, not a service station.
My first thought reading your original post was you shouldn't have any ground disturbance building on an existing foundation.?ÿ Win wins are always good,
This is strange thread. How far is far enough from the brook to trust the GIS? Do you want a planner making that decision??ÿ
They want the owner to hire a surveyor because the surveyor is not an advocate and will give an honest and factual report of his findings.?ÿ?ÿ
Seems like a good idea to me.
Exactly!!
There's no reason to use the same new construction rules when it can be viewed as a rehab.?ÿ
Give the regulators an out and they will often take it.
I'm a strange guy. It's just that sometimes there is no need to go running to the surveyor's office every time you need to measure. Would you want me checking all the 8 feet long lumber at the lumber yard?
Sure, there are cases where the GIS isn't close enough for a measurement, after all they are maps and are compiled from information that exists at different scales. However, the town was asking if the foundation was more than 200 feet away from the brook and obviously it was not.
I am certain the planner could have used the GIS in this particular case. The planner could have also used a tape to make their own measurement and conclusion.
I am certain the planner could have used the GIS in this particular case. The planner could have also used a tape to make their own measurement and conclusion.
BLASPHEMOUS!!!!
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Don't you know that planners only go into the field for photo opportunity holding Chromed or better yet Gilded shovels to show how their work was so elevated to deserve such accolades?
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My favorite is the chrome. We did a project where we had to have the construction crew provide a nice soft pile of soil for the photograph. I asked them why they don't take pictures of the people who actually work on the project.?ÿ
@not-my-real-name you signed and sealed a GIS printout? Wow, wow, wow! ????
There certainly is times that surveying is unnecessary, but my question is who do you expect to make that decision. The planner obviously doesn't have any guidance, so in this case it sounds he made the right decision by requiring someone who is qualified to make that decision.?ÿ
Instead of criticizing planners we should be helping them create the guidelines.
It may have been obvious to you that GIS was a good tool for the job this time, but what if the garage was 20' farther away, or 50' there is some point that informed professionals will disagree, and an uninformed professional (the planner) shouldn't be the one to make the call.?ÿ
The town wants to know the measurement from the foundation to a nearby brook.
the town??s GIS and it shows that the project would be approximately 120 feet from the brook.
We're not talking about boundaries here, which are often in error by significant amounts.
It seems silly if the city people can't figure it out when the answer is that clear.
It's also a good to remember that planning is a thankless job.?ÿ The first PLS I worked for couldn't deal with planners as he focused only what he viewed as their pedantic interpretation of rules.?ÿ Had he taken the time to imagine himself in their shoes, he would have been better able to help his clients through variances and other issues.?ÿ Pride is foolish when it hurts the people you are trying to help.
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I understand what you are saying, it doesn't involve a GIS rendered boundary, but it does involve a boundary. The entire question is where the garage lies relative to the boundary of the restricted area.
OMG?ÿ That reminded me of the story told me years ago by a friend whose sister was an RN working in a hospital emergency ward in the Detroit area.?ÿ She had been present one evening when a fellow came in due to a hangup in the GIS.?ÿ The crew were laughing so hard they had difficulty doing what needed done.?ÿ As I recall no one offered to give mouth to mouth resuscitation to the asphyxiated gerbil.
