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@jitterboogie We're looking for engineering interns, maybe a full time drafter. We're pretty well set on the survey side of things for now.

Getting tired of Colorado?


 
Posted : July 13, 2022 4:06 pm
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@rj-schneider what does reported mean. Did i do something wrong.?ÿ


 
Posted : July 13, 2022 4:27 pm
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Posted by: @mightymoe

I was in a different state and they called them redheads

I seem to remember redtops for rough grade (or subgrade), bluetops for final grade.

Looks like they might have skipped the redtops for this project...


 
Posted : July 13, 2022 5:17 pm
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60d Nail and whiskers with nail head at the appropriate elevation.?ÿ The whiskers let the machine operators know when they are getting close.?ÿ PITA to do, but money is money.


 
Posted : July 13, 2022 5:34 pm
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Posted by: @rover83

I seem to remember redtops for rough grade (or subgrade), bluetops for final grade.

Looks like they might have skipped the redtops for this project...

That is the custom here as well.?ÿ Red tops=top of subbase.?ÿ Blue tops=top of base (which is bottom of asphalt).


 
Posted : July 13, 2022 5:34 pm

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Any contractor building roads would be money ahead investing in machine control. ?ÿEspecially true if he is union or working on Davis Bacon jobs. ?ÿRide is better on roads constructed with machine control. ?ÿSmooth to the ass and pleasing to the eye.


 
Posted : July 13, 2022 6:14 pm
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@olemanriver?ÿ?ÿ Just basic field crew abuse.?ÿ There's gotta' be some rule against that.?ÿ We'll see what Wendell says here. ?????ÿ


 
Posted : July 13, 2022 7:21 pm
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@rj-schneider oh gotcha. That was way back in the 90ƒ??s. We didnƒ??t think it was abuse. We thought we were cool tough young bucks. We had a lot of competitions back when I first started surveying. Who could set up the fastest best closures. Who could stake the most pipe lines cut the most line. Throwing chain(100 ft steel tape) not on a real. Oh the good old days. Now I canƒ??t even find my glasses and they are usually on my head. Lol?ÿ


 
Posted : July 13, 2022 7:27 pm
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@rover83?ÿ

Funny twist....they were also working the site while I was "setting blue tops" adjusting the grade to my 0.2-0.385 deep tops with whiskers and disposing of the excess fill.

As they kept knocking out my Bleu whiskered work, they were adding their pink whiskers almost where I had left mine, plus minus or indifferent.

C'est la vie.

My work is only worth it up to the time that you remove it, then you own anything that you replace or add in any facsimile capacity.

Yesterday was a 16hr day. Today was only 10.75 and boy staking sidewalk never felt so easy in 94 degree heat.

?ÿ

Inspiration to study harder for the FS. I need to pass on the first go so I can transcend this purgatory I'm beating my body up with before it breaks me down.?ÿ We all eventually lose our mobility and then yeah.

?ÿ

Thanks for all the responses, I'm glad I was trained right with my first chiefs and learned what how where and who so I can negotiate the flotsam as necessary.


 
Posted : July 13, 2022 7:41 pm
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@wa-id-surveyor?ÿ

This "road base" they proudly explained had a good portion of the recycled asphalt from the previous parking lot.?ÿ It really sucked.?ÿ

I just got pissed and persevered so I didn't have to come back today.

Ran out of the 4in hubs and ended up using 2*2 6in hubs for the last 15 points.

As I was packing up and about to drive away, the woman with the cart caddy(Base Exchange on the largest army base in Colorado fwiw) walked up and flagged me down so I open the window, waiting for the questions on when this will be done because the lot has been torn up for about 2 months now...and she says

"Ive seen you out here all day, and you were the hardest working guy out there."

I blushed slightly and said "you're working hard too collecting all those carts. Thanks for the work you do, I know it makes a difference."

Unexpected and embarrassing gratitude for the way I was raised and believe in working rarely gets attention from most people so it buoyed my spirits for the two hour drive back to the office.

Surprisingly, not sore except the blisters, just fatigued from the thousands of claw digging strokes and then the pounding of the hubs.

Yeah.?ÿ Most people would never be a surveyor or field tech.?ÿ I'm glad survey found me, it's where I belong. Ill be doing my best to find and guide anyone willing to get into it, it's the best career ever.

?ÿ


 
Posted : July 13, 2022 7:59 pm

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@jitterboogie?ÿ

I've been licensed for going on three decades & I'm still in the field working on 100+ days, bad knee and all.?ÿ Beats being stuck in the office.


 
Posted : July 13, 2022 8:03 pm
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@fairbanksls?ÿ

I took photos.

Anything pink was their replacement.

And I have the data from each shot.

I dare any lawyer to try and attack that. Prove me wrong.

????


 
Posted : July 13, 2022 8:06 pm
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@hi-staker?ÿ

At times.

I'll try to make it up there and buy you a beer and shoot the well known substance once I get past the FS.

I'm no master drafter, but can hold my own. Or so I think sometimes.... ?????ÿ


 
Posted : July 13, 2022 8:39 pm
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@jitterboogie Go take the darn exam FS. ?ÿNo way you are not ready. You been doing all this longer than me man. You can do it. Just log into your myncees site pick the next available dates and give them the $175 you have worked so hard for. If you can inverse you got it. If you can do compass rule adjustment and solve latitude and departure you can do it run levels reduce notes calc rod reading hi etc. you can do it. Go from grid distances to ellipsoid you can do it. Calc area and volume. Calc vertical curves. I know all the gis questions you got. No datums coordinates systems you got it. Boundary law definitions . You got it man. ?ÿWhats the worst that could happen. You not pass. So you get a matrix showing you exactly where you need to focus. Take the 3 months take it again. You are way more prepared than i was. I been working part time for a year and studying. Been away from surveying like this that i had to retrain my brain. Doing ephemeris ure error in space eop parameters. Chandler cycle stuff. I had to remember how to solve basic stuff again. Go all in and you will be good. Heck I only had my approved calculator for 2 months and I spent half that time trying to figure out where they moved the pie key and rpn function. Darn sneaky hp folks moving keys around lol. Go jitterboogie go get em.?ÿ


 
Posted : July 13, 2022 9:00 pm
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@olemanriver?ÿ

Roger that.?ÿ Been registered since March, June test date got postponed due to personal tragedy for my Sig other I was helping to mitigate.

August 26. ?????ÿ

Wrapping up and gearing up my brain with the calculator and the practice questions.

The sixteen hours days make it difficult to log time, and I'm going to just sleep when I'm dead.

You've been there longer than me,I just wail more loudly so it seems like I'm more annoying than really happening.


 
Posted : July 13, 2022 9:52 pm

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@jitterboogie well about two weeks before exam. Start getting plenty of rest. Had another licensed surveyor tell me that so i worked a little less got in bed early those two weeks. Best I could. But as soon as the exam was over i was back working my rump off lol. I did 3 days before exam cut hay one day relaxing, then tedded the next day. On exam day when i was done with i came home and raked and baled. Its how i clear my mind. Find what works for you a few days before. ?ÿDo something non surveying just clear your mind. So you can sleep well. If you are like me hour brain is in overdrive the closer you get to test day and it was driving me nuts lol.?ÿ

i took mine this past June. Hardest thing for me was wearing the face mask actually. ?ÿMy glasses kept fogging up.?ÿ


 
Posted : July 14, 2022 5:33 am
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@jitterboogie Best piece of advice I can give you is to NOT crack any books the 24-48 hours before the test. Spend that time doing something, anything, other than studying. If you don't know the material by that point, you're screwed anyway. If you go in relaxed, rested, and confident, you will kick ass.

Best of luck, and know that you're welcome to stop by our office any time you're in Helena and I will gladly buy the first couple of rounds.


 
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Posted by: @jitterboogie

I pulled up my sunglasses said.....His reaction upon being awakened to me knowing what he had said .....

Perhaps that, perhaps that you broke through to making him aware of the impact on his schedule. Sometimes it takes approaches from several angles before you find one that breaks the paradigm and transitions you, in his eyes, from laggard laborer to trusted associate.?ÿ


 
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@hi-staker?ÿ

Thanks for the advice.

I'll be off two days ahead just chilling.

?ÿ

We can trade off.

Only fair.

????


 
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Posted by: @mightymoe

I was in a different state and they called them redheads

I seem to remember redtops for rough grade (or subgrade), bluetops for final grade.

Looks like they might have skipped the redtops for this project...

Don't know about redtops, but in 1963 on gravel roads in northern MN they were bluetops. Hub tops were colored solid blue with blue keel, i.e. a blue lumber crayon. Whiskers didn't exist at that time, and no spray paint was used.

3-man crew. One mile of bluetopping per day, both sides, 50-ft. stations. Dumpy level. I was the youngest on the crew but I didn't swing the sledge. That was done by a guy 30 years older than me. He could really swing it, too.

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