The best part will be when they pay $75,000 to some drone-warrior then the title company and lender's counsel look at the finished product and laugh.
Digging deeper into the site I found J. Anthony Cavell, PLS, CFedS (Tony) had already commented, June 2016, on the contest.
Dallas Morlan, post: 398064, member: 6020 wrote: Digging deeper into the site I found J. Anthony Cavell, PLS, CFedS (Tony) had already commented, June 2016, on the contest.
From an additional email I received yesterday, Curt Sumner and Gary Kent are on it and have spoken with parties involved.
As if the field work were the most time consuming part of an ALTA/NSPS Land Title Survey.
It's quite possible (though not typically likely) to do the field work on two perfect specimens in 15 hours. The processing time, research, drafting, etc. not so much.
FYI - in case you missed it, this was in the 10/19/2016 NSPS News and Views. Below is what they said. Note that there is was an ACSM radio hour episode on this (June 20th) if you're curious for more.
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Many surveyors have become aware of an activity that is currently underway to "design and produce a method to automate the ALTA (meaning ALTA/NSPS Land Title Survey) land survey to significantly reduce the time and expense required to complete it."
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It seems to me if you want this prize, you need to solve the driving time issue. Quad-copter the vans in, for a three hours savings. Of course, then why not just use Google Earth and never visit the sites ...
Oh this is easy...you can just cut and paste a gis screen shot of the parcel, the title commitment, and a VERY LARGE DISCLAIMER together, right? Seems like Norm figured this out. In fact, I know others have figured this out from some of the surveys I have seen.
gschrock, post: 398323, member: 556 wrote: As soon as they announce the beta of the LRRB-3010 (Land Records Research Bot) that can pass both the LS and the state bar exams; then maybe.... But if a Roomba is an indication of the current state of Artificial Intelligence then any automation of record research and determinations involving land case law will end up spreading doggie doodoos around without relaizing it like said Roomba 😉
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I know you're posting that in humor, the scary part is they already write sports stories with algo and Microsoft has experimented with their own version of an online chat-bot 'Tay' with some not so expected results. Juuuusssst a matter of time. 🙂
Jered McGrath PLS, post: 397894, member: 794 wrote: two land surveys in less than 15 hours per survey
I think I may take them up on it.
Since this does not specify 15 man-hours I presume any number of people could be used over a 15 hour period. I propose to use about 10,000, if I can find a client who will pay for it.
No specifics about Table A. So I will assume no Table A.
It also doesn't say what size of property is to be surveyed, or what condition that title must be in. I think that a survey of a very recently platted subdivision lot - one within a mile of my office - with all corners recently monumented and no other improvements would make a suitable subject. No charges against title not shown on the face of the plat. The second survey will be of the adjacent lot.
Given those parameters I might do them both in well under 15 hours. Where do i pick up my prize?
Seriously, I might use some of the 10,000 and the unlimited funds at hand to institute a Torrens registry, a la Singapore. That would considerably hustle up the time line on any ALTA.
The real trick would be automating the email correspondence between the buyer's attorneys and the responsible surveyor. That didn't end well in "2001: A Space Odyssey", but that was then.
You know, on second thought, the low-hanging fruit in the ALTA automation problem would be creating a chatbot that would trade emails with attorneys wanting to log some billable hours in connection with the transaction.
Q: "Would you please plot all of the applicable zoning setback lines on the map of your survey?"
Chatbot: "I very much appreciate your diligent efforts on this transaction and want to be sure exactly what the issue is. As you will probably know, there are some issues that a land surveyor cannot resolve by himself and I am keen that we don't misrepresent anything to your client."
I just finished up an ALTA. The lot was 150'x150'. There was a building that room up 75% of the space. Three of the four corners were in place and two off site monuments were checked to verify the other monuments found. Three control points that were set up on and a fourth shot from each point. Field work was about 8 hours and I had about 10 hours in office time.
This included vertical relief and utilities. Without those items I could've cut my time in half. Mind you I had a cad file from the surveyor that created the parcel...
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Mark Mayer, post: 398360, member: 424 wrote:
It also doesn't say what size of property is to be surveyed, or what condition that title must be in.
Actually, if you read the details, they specified that the subject surveys would be u-store-it properties. Apparently that is their specialty.
gschrock, post: 398323, member: 556 wrote:
Andy Nold, post: 398537, member: 7 wrote: Actually, if you read the details, they specified that the subject surveys would be u-store-it properties.
Hmmm, you right. That's quite a buzzkill. Still, I don't see anything about Table A. In the right circumstances, with no Table A, it still might be done.
Andy Nold, post: 398537, member: 7 wrote: Actually, if you read the details, they specified that the subject surveys would be u-store-it properties. Apparently that is their specialty.
Their web site, William Warren Group - Who We Are, says that their mission is "We aspire to become recognized as the most innovative, entrepreneurial and profitable real estate company within the self storage industry." It appears that they buy, develop and manage self storage facilities. They really need to be educated to the legal side of surveying.
I wonder if it would be possible for someone to create an AI that could mash all the law stuff together with the survey stuff, and come up with reasonable opinions? Shooting monuments from a UAV seems pretty implausible, and they still can't remote sense through trees that I'm aware of, but they are doing lots of things with software programming and AI these days.
Same with lawyers. Actually, they would probably be easier to replace with AI than surveyors, since they just email, call, and push paper all day. Their only 3d interface would need to be in a courtroom, and they already have robots that can speak to you and project body language, they just don't move around well. I think it is a great idea. Let's put it up for consideration on the DIRT forum and see what they think.
The group sponsoring it invests heavily in storage operations and I think they are looking for every way possible to standardize each investment process and when they were faced with every single time having lenders require an ALTA survey, they thought "Why not make this work for us". All they are doing is finding another more creative way to "homogenize" the process and pay for the survey. Its all about the bottom line.
