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Contest to Automate ALTA Surveys. WTF........

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jered-mcgrath-pls
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I got an email today that revealed a contest to automate ALTA surveys.:mad: I find this a bit disturbing and thought I would share for others to get their own perspective on it.
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"The AiLTA Land Survey Automation Challenge aims to significantly expedite real estate and financing transactions, by drastically lowering the cost and time burden of the land boundary survey. The Challenge seeks a technology that efficiently and remotely automates the land boundary survey process. Some of the examples are using drones or satellite data.

This challenge consist of two phases:
1. Concept Phase: propose a solution to automate ALTA land surveys
2. Prototype Phase: build your solution and conduct two ALTA land surveys

Prize:
The AiLTA Land Survey Automation Challenge will award prizes totaling $100,000 USD.
1. Concept Phase: Up to five prizes of $5,000 each
2. Prototype Phase: One grand prize of $75,000
To learn more about the challenge or to register yourself please visit AiLTA Challenge page.

"The winning team must prove automation of ALTA land surveys by conducting, from start to finish, two land surveys in less than 15 hours per survey."
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Here is the link:
https://herox.com/AiLTA

[SARCASM]Good to know my ALTA work is a burden on the typical multi million dollar refinance deal. Feeling the love.[/SARCASM]

 
Posted : November 1, 2016 12:43 pm
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Sounds like appliance operation at its worst.

On the other hand, I could have a lot of fun designing a drone that set monuments using my custom .50 BMG (Brass Monument Gun)... J/K

 
Posted : November 1, 2016 12:53 pm
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I wonder if a real estate attorney started this contest, so he could file a lot of lawsuits.

This will contest will go nowhere, it will not meet state requirements, and the title factory survey companies, already skip of alot of steps and rush these out the door.

However for 75,000 dollars he is my quick way to do an Alta,
Work the night before doing research,
field crew does the work at sunlight, (hope you do not have to do more field work the 2nd day)
wait till crew gets back to do the boundary work
drafting works that night,(once again hope its a one day draft)
Sign survey and hope its right since it is rushed.

 
Posted : November 1, 2016 1:00 pm
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First you would have to start with automating the reading and understanding the title report. then you automatically plot all the deeds and automatically resolve all the gore, overlaps and other title discrepancies. after that I think we have used up all 15 days.

I may be thinking wrong but is not the field work the shortest expenditure of time?

Paul in PA

 
Posted : November 1, 2016 4:15 pm
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Paul in PA, post: 397938, member: 236 wrote: First you would have to start with automating the reading and understanding the title report. then you automatically plot all the deeds and automatically resolve all the gore, overlaps and other title discrepancies. after that I think we have used up all 15 days.

I may be thinking wrong but is not the field work the shortest expenditure of time?

Paul in PA

Paul,
Not days, 15 hours.

 
Posted : November 1, 2016 4:41 pm

a-harris
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Once the automation system is formed, there will be no need for surveyors to do anything in the field, no Attorneys, no Tittle Companies.
Banks will be reaping in all the fees.

 
Posted : November 1, 2016 6:45 pm
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You can automate the collection of data, but, the legal work can only be sped up by bypassing steps. As Paul inferred, how do you do that?

 
Posted : November 1, 2016 7:09 pm
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You can't automate, but you can streamline the process so you aren't skipping steps but also not repeating the same steps over amd over.
I learned to do that after my 2nd week of drafting.

 
Posted : November 1, 2016 7:54 pm
aliquot
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I could easily do an ALTA of a vacant recectly platted lot in 15 hours.

 
Posted : November 1, 2016 8:14 pm
norm-larson
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I was assuming that as a general business concern, it was already streamlined

 
Posted : November 1, 2016 8:15 pm

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This contest does not consider that the cost of a survey, whether it is an ALTA survey or a "simple" boundary survey, is not based on my time, but the liability I assume for providing the professional service (at least in my business model). But not everyone shares this idea.

 
Posted : November 2, 2016 3:46 am
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This is who financed the challenge https://www.williamwarren.com . The solutions they seek address more efficient acquisition of improvements. If I could create a drone that could locate property monuments, resolve the boundary and address the title commitment, I would be asking for more than $75K. Until then, I will continue to "lumber around with a tripod". Perhaps, we need to create a challenge that help companies like the William Warren Group understand what a Land Title Survey really is or how to have the title attorney provide the final title commitment within 15 hours. The sad thing is that this company will be flooded with calls from surveyors offering "Quick Dicky Alta's". The public will think of boundary surveying as a commodity when many in our own house present it as a commodity,

 
Posted : November 2, 2016 4:48 am
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EYES ON THE GROUND

cannot be automated.

Some people do not understand that educated human brain is still the best for certain tasks and analysis.

BTW, how does this automated program identify goat stakes and horshoe pins?

Paul in PA

 
Posted : November 2, 2016 5:02 am
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John Putnam, post: 397943, member: 1188 wrote: Paul,
Not days, 15 hours.

I meant days, because I was not talking about the field work, which cannot begin without a basis.

Paul in PA

 
Posted : November 2, 2016 5:05 am
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The truly silly thing is that they could easily avoid "the cost and time burden of a boundary land survey". All they would have to do is eliminate the standard survey exception clause from the title insurance coverage. By agreeing to cover any losses that would have been discovered by a land survey, and not requiring a land survey to be done, they could bypass the cost and time burden completely.

 
Posted : November 2, 2016 5:22 am

holy-cow
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

 
Posted : November 2, 2016 5:34 am
john-putnam
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Peter Lothian - MA ME, post: 398018, member: 4512 wrote: The truly silly thing is that they could easily avoid "the cost and time burden of a boundary land survey". All they would have to do is eliminate the standard survey exception clause from the title insurance coverage. By agreeing to cover any losses that would have been discovered by a land survey, and not requiring a land survey to be done, they could bypass the cost and time burden completely.

But then 'THEY' might have to pay for any discoveries instead of my insurance policy. An ALTA/NSPS Land Title Survey is just an insurance policy of the insurance company.

 
Posted : November 2, 2016 6:40 am
Dallas
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Scott Ellis, post: 397896, member: 7154 wrote: I wonder if a real estate attorney started this contest, so he could file a lot of lawsuits.

This will contest will go nowhere, it will not meet state requirements, and the title factory survey companies, already skip of alot of steps and rush these out the door.

However for 75,000 dollars he is my quick way to do an Alta,
Work the night before doing research,
field crew does the work at sunlight, (hope you do not have to do more field work the 2nd day)
wait till crew gets back to do the boundary work
drafting works that night,(once again hope its a one day draft)
Sign survey and hope its right since it is rushed.

Your plan would be disqualified by the third requirement:
[INDENT]
Data Collection: Remoteness
Able to collect survey data from a range of at least 5 kilometers from the operator (if there is an operator).
[/INDENT]

That requirement would, in my opinion, violate both state and the ALTA standards. This "contest" should be referred to NSPS and state licensing boards as an enticement to violate minimum standards at all levels.

 
Posted : November 2, 2016 7:27 am
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Dallas Morlan, post: 398045, member: 6020 wrote: Your plan would be disqualified by the third requirement:
[INDENT]
Data Collection: Remoteness
Able to collect survey data from a range of at least 5 kilometers from the operator (if there is an operator).
[/INDENT]

That requirement would, in my opinion, violate both state and the ALTA standards. This "contest" should be referred to NSPS and state licensing boards as an enticement to violate minimum standards at all levels.

Ahh man, I am disqualified, I already had the contest winnings spend.

 
Posted : November 2, 2016 7:33 am
Dallas
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lmbrls, post: 398012, member: 6823 wrote: This is who financed the challenge https://www.williamwarren.com . The solutions they seek address more efficient acquisition of improvements. If I could create a drone that could locate property monuments, resolve the boundary and address the title commitment, I would be asking for more than $75K. Until then, I will continue to "lumber around with a tripod". Perhaps, we need to create a challenge that help companies like the William Warren Group understand what a Land Title Survey really is or how to have the title attorney provide the final title commitment within 15 hours. The sad thing is that this company will be flooded with calls from surveyors offering "Quick Dicky Alta's". The public will think of boundary surveying as a commodity when many in our own house present it as a commodity,

Reverse lookup of the telephone number produced:
[INDENT]William Warren Group Inc
201 Wilshire Blvd Ste 102
Santa Monica, CA 90401-1220
[/INDENT]

Anyone on here from that neighborhood? If so are you willing to contact them with an offer to educate them that they are trying to contract for a violation of the law?

 
Posted : November 2, 2016 7:51 am

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