When setting a witness or "noise maker" immediately adjacent to a stone one should set the top of the "noise maker" several inches lower than the top of the stone so the stone will be discovered while attempting to find that danged "noise maker". Frequently, I will place a "noise maker" on a minimum of two sides of the stone. This enhances the chances of the stone being given its proper credit as "the corner".
Btw, to start a real argument, argue that the entire stone is the corner and any point on it is just as good as any other point selected by some lower form of life pretending to be a professional surveyor.
Holy Cow I agree that the whole stone is the monument However I always shoot the highest part of the stone as a matter of consistencey
Great comment holy cow let's refer to the arguments as "debates":stakeout:
Ok so I am hoping an admin sees this comment
The photo that I so desperately want to upload is only 2.1mb but it still will not load the photo saying "the file is too large"
Jacob Ellis, post: 368901, member: 11603 wrote: Ok so I am hoping an admin sees this comment
The photo that I so desperately want to upload is only 2.1mb but it still will not load the photo saying "the file is too large"
It will load when you shrink it
Holy Cow, post: 368892, member: 50 wrote: When setting a witness or "noise maker" immediately adjacent to a stone one should set the top of the "noise maker" several inches lower than the top of the stone so the stone will be discovered while attempting to find that danged "noise maker". Frequently, I will place a "noise maker" on a minimum of two sides of the stone. This enhances the chances of the stone being given its proper credit as "the corner".
Btw, to start a real argument, argue that the entire stone is the corner and any point on it is just as good as any other point selected by some lower form of life pretending to be a professional surveyor.
It's the dimple, or the "point"
Pbbbbbbbbtttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!! How's that for being curt?
Moe I tried that(compressing the file) didn't work either :-S
It seems easy to accept a called for corner.
It's much tougher to have to decide to accept a pipe found buried 6" deep when no monuments are called for in the deed. Then said pipe comes ehhh close to agreement with surveys found on the property and neighboring properties, but out of agreement with a new pin at the next lot corner which in turn agrees with those older paper surveys of your lot and neighbimors. And when you also know darn well that the surveyor who set the new recent rod didn't dig up the pipe you found....and neither did the surveyor that did the survey of the lot you are surveying and found the pipe on.
Sorry... just been dealing with this pain the last few days
Holy Cow, post: 368892, member: 50 wrote: When setting a witness or "noise maker" immediately adjacent to a stone
Hereabouts, all the the rock is basalt and it's very noisy. So much so that at times you end up digging for a rock that is a foot away from a buried rebar. Once you yard the rock out and buzz the site again you hear the rebar. BizarrO World.
It is rare to find anything except natural iron ore rock around here.
There are a few sawed and shaped stones around.
None of them will hold any markings.
They are anywhere to a few inches thick to the size of a basketball.
Most are a bunch of flat rocks in a pile.
Years ago we would set a rod or pipe directly under the stone, in more recent times I drill thru when large enough and set a rod and cap.
Jacob, you can send it to me, or cow, but what we'd do with it is run it through a photo editor, and downsize it, (software deletes every 4th pixel) or something.
Every other pixel, makes it 1/4 of its original size.
Then it's postable.
Nate thanks your comment made me think...Ok it's not the size of the file so pay attention (speaking to myself) max height 1920pix
max width 1080pix.......crop the photo! Which is probably the "shrink" Moe was referring too...I thought Moe ment file size. Non the less here is the picture even though the thread was awesome without it!!:good:
Some might say "looks like a witness to me" and I would have to agree but let's not forget the stone was called out of place and the bar was stated as the corner on the survey plat!
Looks like a pin to me!!
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Btw... you should download Tapatalk on your phone. It's a forum app and to post pics u just select them from the gallery on your phone while in ur post and then just hit post. No need to crop or do anything. That's why I use the app bc it makes posting and posting pictures so easy.
Incidentally my boss (a brilliant boundary surveyor who has been licensed since before I was born..... And I ain't young) had me go out on a job where I found a pile of rocks and one on his pins lying on its side (with cap attached, remote area, no disturbance) I shot the pile of rocks, and pocketed his pin. It was my assumption that a previous party chief hiked out a pin, found the existing stone monument, and dumped the rebar to save the weight on the hike back.
It turns out, back in the early 80's there was a surveyor Doing exactly what you are complaining about, and my bosses response was to lay a rebar flat, usually under a rock. No surveyor would call out THAT, rather than an original stone. He stopped doing it, after they were magically setting themselves to agree with the next surveyor's calculated corner.
summerprophet, post: 369038, member: 8874 wrote:
magically setting themselves to agree with the next surveyor's calculated corner.
Hah! What a deal!
... to stone found and a 3/8 inch cold steel rod bears witness S yå¡ E at 0.x feet ....... (I like to take pics of monuments North being up)
For humor I've ask other surveyors for a sample of their monuments.....to set when I can't find what they call for.....they found no humor 😉
I dug a post hole in an easement road about 4ft deep to drop pig iron in under my monument so I would always be able to find the corner of my 1ac river camp.
Few months ago was surveying about 100ft away and attempted to find it.
Local water system came thru and dug it up without getting an easement from anyone except those that had cabins on their property.
That confirmed to me that nothing is permanent, so locate everything possible to be able to prove the location of what you have found.
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I hold the stone every darn time. Some surveyors will pincushion the stone if it doesn't fit by .01'. Others will make their math and numbers work and proudly set their cap with a bar or pipe or some garbage 1.0' away from the real monument which has been there for 100+ years.
Personally, I would have a hard time setting a rod or anything else corner like anywhere near an old stone as a reference. IMHO, it's silly and does no service to the public, ESPECIALLY in states, like NY, that have no filing requirements for corners, and no public record of what the prior surveyors intentions were. These situations can turn into a real headscratcher...
If you want to make it magnetic, wrap barbed wire around it or put a thin vertical steel plate on a couple sides of it.
But, there is also a chance that if the property has been subdivided, the stone is now interior, that the rod could indeed be the new corner. Sometimes planning boards or town regulations want rods at every corner. It may not be this situation, but it is always worth a moment of thought.
Anyhow, here is a stone I found a few weeks ago. The call was "chiseled cross cut in a stone in the stone wall". It was set sometime in the mid 1800's as an interior monument to the larger parent tract which, was described pretty good in the late 1700's. It took a return trip to find it, but there it was. The "cross cut" was pretty hard to see, so I put some red paint pen on it. As solid as the day it was set, which is quite the contrast to the rest of the rocks in this wall. Other than the "cross cut" it was an unremarkable looking rock.
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