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I have a new problem...Got a file from an Engineer thru contractor. I use Carlson Survey 2019w/Intellicad, this looks like C3D

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(@lugeyser)
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I am supposed to be performing stakeout on a sidewalk/curb early in the morning.  The drawing has a bunch of xrefs in it.  When I draw points based on the screen entities they show up elsewhere, although the coordinate value seems to put them where CAD has them being.  If I snap a line to the point number it goes where it should be.  But if I draw the points they come in way off on the screen...any ideas of what might be going on?  Is a simple job if I can work in the CAD file.

 

I am super confused about it.  I have 

 
Posted : December 3, 2019 2:50 pm
a-harris
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In the file they sent you has the final drawing has been moved away from where the original points were.

 
Posted : December 3, 2019 3:10 pm
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@a-harris

hard to say for sure, but I am creating new points based on the location in the drawing so it should be fine anyway, right?

 
Posted : December 3, 2019 3:15 pm
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Posted by: @lugeyser

but I am creating new points based on the location in the drawing so it should be fine anyway, right?

You need 2 things; sight control and a set of plans that is related to them.

Do you have an approved copy of the plans? Does it show the control and how that relates to lines you need to stake?

What I usually do is take that information and enter it into my system; piece by piece; so I can see how everything fits; step by step.

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Design plans are like a box of chocolates; you never know what your what you're going to get...

Engineers, generally aren't to bad; but an Architect will take your existing sight plan; spin that sucker around and scale it by 12; so that it fits into their neat and tidy little world.

What sucks is you're out of time. The contractor expects you to be driving hubs into the ground at the crack of dawn. If you can't definitively do that to your liking; at the place your client wants it; somebody is going to be responsible for writing the check to the contractor, for the cost over runs...

Good luck!

 
Posted : December 3, 2019 3:31 pm
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Never used Carlson Survey/Intellicad but it sounds like the UCS might be turned in C3D.?ÿ Just a thought and without C3D I don't know if you can fix it yourself.?ÿ?ÿ

 
Posted : December 3, 2019 4:45 pm

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Check the value of the BASE. Type in BASE at the command line, you should get a return of "0.0,0.0,0.0". If not, that's the ticket.?ÿ

 
Posted : December 3, 2019 5:15 pm
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Suddenly longing for the days when there was no lead to be found in any drawer to refill the mechanical pencil and that is what brought production to a halt for the day.

 
Posted : December 3, 2019 5:44 pm
 ken
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Couple things:

With dealing with contractors, make sure they give you time to review the files and plans.?ÿ I know, best laid plans. They all went to the same class and I think they all have some secret book.?ÿ In that book is something like....1.Ask surveyor for stuff last second. 2. Don't give them time to review.?ÿ 3. Blame them for staking where an RFIs wasn't given to said surveyor. 4. Pretend everything is 'hot' even if the stakes sit there two weeks before they need it.?ÿ?ÿ

If the CADs don't work for you, have the contractor get the civil to save as an autocad file, and it'll take away the proxy information that is entrenched into C3D.?ÿ My Carlson Survey 2019 and 2020, non intellicad, has an import C3D function.?ÿ It'll read and import points, surfaces etc and make them Carlson friendly.?ÿ You might look into that with Carlson support.?ÿ Have said civil save as autocad, and etransmit..and have them bind the xrefs.?ÿ?ÿ

The points and etc not displaying correctly in the right spot sounds like a UCS issues. Make sure you are in 2d wireframe, WCS.?ÿ?ÿ

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Posted : December 3, 2019 6:09 pm
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@dougie

I got 99 problems but
(a file from an Engineer thru contractor)
Ain't one.
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Posted : December 4, 2019 6:16 pm
 jt50
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Just ask your client to give you a generic DWG file.?ÿ I am sure your job as a surveyor would only need contours, points, breaklines, boundaries. All of those elements can be contained in a generic CAD file. There is no legal requirement for all surveyors to have the latest version of all the software that a client may be using.

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Posted : December 4, 2019 11:22 pm