Can I use multiple codes and a special code at the same time??ÿ For example: while shooting back of curb and edge of concrete for a sidewalk hitting in, I'd use BC EC.?ÿ But for BC, I want to use a horizontal offset for example: BC OH0.5 and still make the same shot edge of conc.?ÿ When I use "BC OH0.5 EC" it doesn't seem to work.?ÿ Do I have a setting wrong or is this just not possible?
It should be, why not put the ec code first then be oh0.5
BC OH0.5 EC
Instead try EC BC OH0.5
@va-ls-2867 & Bradd Ott: Thanks Guys!?ÿ That did the trick.?ÿ IDK why I didn't think about switching them.
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Ya know, I've never used the offset codes, ever.?ÿ I guess I've never trusted contractors to build things that accurately.?ÿ ?????ÿ
Interesting stuff.?ÿ I've never really gotten into multiple coding much, since I've never found it really necessary.
If I'm at where pavement meets a concrete pad, I usually collect with the CP code, since all the other EP shots I've taken make it obvious.?ÿ Don't really see much need to call it CP EP, don't need two lines in CAD
And sometimes it's faster to just take another shot 0.2' away, like when I'm shooting granite curb, and then it changes to concrete curb
To each his own
I'm a really big fan of multiple coding.?ÿ If you do it right you can bring a huge topo into cad at the end of the day and have it 99% drafted and surface ready in probably 5 seconds.?ÿ It takes a little setup of course but if you get some measure code panels configured in the collector it can make the data collection part pretty fast and smooth.
@bstrand?ÿ
Mine are ready in like 6 or 7 seconds
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As said, most of the time, for me, it's unnecessary, and it can take less time to take an extra shot than to deal with multiple codes.
it can take less time to take an extra shot than to deal with multiple codes.
Have to take into account the time it takes to clean up the linework in CAD too.
It takes an extra second to tap a second code to add to the descriptor field plus zero time in CAD.
It takes about 5-10 seconds to move the rod, plumb it up, and shoot a second shot....plus at least a couple of minutes in CAD finding and fixing the intersection. Especially if we're generating a TIN surface, then we have to consider elevations.
Granted, for certain types of work, like basic boundary with planimetric-only mapping just to show improvements along the property lines, the difference isn't enough to make me worry about it. For a lot of those I'll even say that the CAD cleanup isn't necessary.
But all that cleanup time in CAD really adds up for mid- to large-scale design topos with a lot of detail, where the designers will definitely notice linework not matching up and surfaces with odd breaklines or TIN lines.
@rover83?ÿ
I hear what you're saying, and if I were younger and not so set in my ways, I might try to change.?ÿ
As you say, I don't worry about lines not meeting that close, and the surface still works.
But I also don't need two lines running on top of each other, along with two breaklines on top of them, (when defining EC EP)
I've been doing F2f since 1993.?ÿ For the first 25 years of?ÿ F2f'ing I used systems that did not have multiple code capabilities, so I know how that works. I now use multiple codes routinely (C3d) and I like it. I would not want to go back.?ÿ ?ÿ
@rover83?ÿ
But I also don't need two lines running on top of each other, along with two breaklines on top of them, (when defining EC EP)
I'm not sure what you mean by this.?ÿ Are you talking about (for example) double coding the lip of a concrete gutter with the edge of pavement that adjoins it??ÿ If so, that's not the right way to use multi coding, imo.?ÿ You would code that line as only 1 of those things.
Don't know what a concrete gutter is, but yes, if you're talking about where a concrete pad and edge of pavement meet.
Ok, then we agree with that, then
But I also don't need two lines running on top of each other, along with two breaklines on top of them, (when defining EC EP)
The system is very customizable. No two offices are going to be exactly alike.?ÿ It sounds like your system could use some tweaking.?ÿ
Oh, sure, no doubt that a lot of us could use some procedure tweaking, but as said, I don't think what I'm doing really costs me too much time and efficiency
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Oh, sure, no doubt that a lot of us could use some procedure tweaking, but as said, I don't think what I'm doing really costs me too much time and efficiency
For sure. That's where I have to compromise often, because we have some offices where the bulk of work doesn't need that much scrutiny, but some offices where it can make or break budgets, or win/lose us future work.
It has been more of an issue in recent times with workshare and remote work on the rise, and staffing levels and workloads fluctuating more than usual. Sending a crew from one area to another where SOP differs can cause some headaches.
I will say that I don't know many folks who have gone back to single-coding multiple points after getting through the learning curve of how to multi-code single points. From my perspective at a mid- to large-size multi-discipline firm, it's a lot more critical for our staff to be up to speed on those methods. But for others, it's not always necessary.
Don't know what a concrete gutter is, but yes, if you're talking about where a concrete pad and edge of pavement meet.
Ok, then we agree with that, the
OK, yeah it sounds like you're not quite using it the right way. You use the multi coding to intersect different breaklines.
Like if you're going down a street shooting the top back of curb and the back edge of an attached sidewalk. Assuming the sidewalk doesn't turn the corner at the next intersection these 2 lines will intersect and you simply take 1 shot on the curb where the EC lands and end the line there-- like TBC EC E
That way you don't have to trim or extend anything in cad to make things look right, and your surface won't look wonky there either due to having 2 shots a tenth apart or whatever.
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Anyway, if you've got a system in place that you're comfortable with then I certainly see the appeal in not rocking the boat.
@rover83?ÿ
I've been at large companies, and know what you mean.?ÿ This is a small shop, and ultimately, it makes no difference here