Hi guys, looking for a little help. Just started using civil 3d 2015 and have imported survey points and drawn lines etc. Drawing looks great but when I export to CAD 2000, which is the format the client needs. The lines are coming across as proxy entities and if I explode they turn into poly lines with no elevations on them. The points also come across as white points and not attached to the layer colours.
It is not a complex drawing, just road edges and centreline, fences etc.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Carl (1st time c3d user)
You can SAVEAS your C3d drawing to an old format, or you can Export it to any Acad version. The 2 processes are different and yield different results. Which are you doing?
That's a long way back in time to send a C3d drawing. I shouldn't be surprised that the results are highly simplified.
Irish, post: 356819, member: 10833 wrote: Hi guys, looking for a little help. Just started using civil 3d 2015 and have imported survey points and drawn lines etc. Drawing looks great but when I export to CAD 2000, which is the format the client needs. The lines are coming across as proxy entities and if I explode they turn into poly lines with no elevations on them. The points also come across as white points and not attached to the layer colours.
It is not a complex drawing, just road edges and centreline, fences etc.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Carl (1st time c3d user)
If you have annotative points, symbols attahced to points, etc. you will loose all "Civil 3D" functions when you export or save down, also the surface will be junk, unless you export it as a .xml Its a bummer, but the reality your client has to face when using software that is 16 years old.
Furthermore, we just installed C3D 2016 and when we open a Survey data base from our older 2013 C3D and make some changes and save those changes another user that is using C3D 2013 version can no longer open the Survey Data base....Gotta love Autodesk. Oh and just think, they are already working on 2017 version.
Isn't this practice called 'forced obsolescence'?
EXPLODE ALL 5x
qselect for solid hatch (label backgound masks become hatches after exploding)
erase these hatches
export to autocad xx
this will create a dumb file - perfect for an underlay/xref except background masking is gone
Did anybody figure out the best way to copy and paste just a line work from Civil 3D to Land Desktop 2009.
I still do all survey calculations and setting up stuff for staking in Land Desktop 2009, so I am exporting into AutoCAD 2007 meaning that I am creating an additional drawing every time . The line work in Land Desktop and Civil 3D is different (going from Civil 3D to LDD) and I think it was done intentionally in order to force customers to buy new version.
Looks like pretty simple task: copy a line work in Civil 3D and paste it into LDD, but it is not an options. External references are not an option as well. Any thoughts?
gregkogan, post: 357852, member: 9416 wrote: Did anybody figure out the best way to copy and paste just a line work from Civil 3D to Land Desktop 2009.
I still do all survey calculations and setting up stuff for staking in Land Desktop 2009, so I am exporting into AutoCAD 2007 meaning that I am creating an additional drawing every time . The line work in Land Desktop and Civil 3D is different (going from Civil 3D to LDD) and I think it was done intentionally in order to force customers to buy new version.
Looks like pretty simple task: copy a line work in Civil 3D and paste it into LDD, but it is not an options. External references are not an option as well. Any thoughts?
I don't know about Land Desktop but in order to get lines from C3D to my Trimble controller I have found that wblock to dxf command is the easiest.
If Land Desktop can deal with dxf files, you might give it a try, you can also wblock to older drawing formats.
gregkogan, post: 357852, member: 9416 wrote: Did anybody figure out the best way to copy and paste just a line work from Civil 3D to Land Desktop 2009.
I still do all survey calculations and setting up stuff for staking in Land Desktop 2009, so I am exporting into AutoCAD 2007 meaning that I am creating an additional drawing every time . The line work in Land Desktop and Civil 3D is different (going from Civil 3D to LDD) and I think it was done intentionally in order to force customers to buy new version.
Looks like pretty simple task: copy a line work in Civil 3D and paste it into LDD, but it is not an options. External references are not an option as well. Any thoughts?
Greg that depends on what kind of linework you are talking about getting from the civil 3d drawing, open the drawong in c3d and list the linework to see if it is 1) a survey figure 2) an alignment 3) a "part" of a pipe network. This will help you to know how to proceed. Post a coy of a typical file that you are working with, I'll give you a workflow. I do this all of the time for folks that for whatever reason have decided to abandon civil 3d.
Randy
gregkogan, post: 357852, member: 9416 wrote: Any thoughts?
Since it seems you have C3d I'm wondering why you don't just do your calcs in C3d? Really, I'm sure a workaround to LDT could be devised - but I think it would be less trouble to learn enough C3d to do what you have to.
Randy Rain, post: 357946, member: 35 wrote: Greg that depends on what kind of linework you are talking about getting from the civil 3d drawing, open the drawong in c3d and list the linework to see if it is 1) a survey figure 2) an alignment 3) a "part" of a pipe network. This will help you to know how to proceed. Post a coy of a typical file that you are working with, I'll give you a workflow. I do this all of the time for folks that for whatever reason have decided to abandon civil 3d.
Randy
Hi Randy,
I am just talking about very simple stuff like line, polylines, etc.
Mark Mayer, post: 357986, member: 424 wrote: Since it seems you have C3d I'm wondering why you don't just do your calcs in C3d? Really, I'm sure a workaround to LDT could be devised - but I think it would be less trouble to learn enough C3d to do what you have to.
Hi Mark,
I am actually very advanced user of Civil 3D. However I never felt conformable working with survey calculations and especially with property line adjustments in Civil 3D and as far as I know most of land surveyors feel the same way (could be wrong on this then will be corrected by others) and most of land surveyors I know just switching to Carlson after LDD is getting out of the picture. There were some issues with LDD no doubts but getting rid of it at all without creating within Civil 3D similar routines was not good idea at all.
I think the survey part of Civil 3D was done without involving licensed land surveyors at all.
I personally do not feel comfortable move & rotate survey 1000 points by utilizing AutoCAD move and rotate commands.
Another example if points are not locked it is easy by accident to move point on the screen and it will change the coordinates and opposite if points are locked you need to go to survey data base observations in order to change even a code.
gregkogan, post: 358006, member: 9416 wrote: Hi Mark,
I am actually very advanced user of Civil 3D. However I never felt conformable working with survey calculations and especially with property line adjustments in Civil 3D and as far as I know most of land surveyors feel the same way (could be wrong on this then will be corrected by others) and most of land surveyors I know just switching to Carlson after LDD is getting out of the picture. There were some issues with LDD no doubts but getting rid of it at all without creating within Civil 3D similar routines was not good idea at all.
I think the survey part of Civil 3D was done without involving licensed land surveyors at all.
I personally do not feel comfortable move & rotate survey 1000 points by utilizing AutoCAD move and rotate commands.
Another example if points are not locked it is easy by accident to move point on the screen and it will change the coordinates and opposite if points are locked you need to go to survey data base observations in order to change even a code.
"I think the survey part of Civil 3D was done without involving licensed land surveyors at all."
I don't see any significant difference between Civil 3D 2016 and Release 14. There are a few bells and whistles, but nothing of real significance. Some of the command nomenclature has not changed since it was written by Softdesk in the 1980's. If there have been any surveyors involved in the process since then I would be quite surprised.
"I personally do not feel comfortable move & rotate survey 1000 points by utilizing AutoCAD move and rotate commands."
I do this all the time! I can't figure out any other way to do it and it works perfectly for me.
Civil 3D has many issues, but I use it to solve and draft boundary and ALTA surveys, prepare topographical surveys, prepare backup calcs for construction staking, output the mathematical portions of descriptions, and all of the myriad of other survey functions I perform. I hate AutoDesk's captive marketing, and the learning curve was steep, but the product is extremely useful. BTW - I never use the survey database - I found it to be an unnecessary and confusing option.
Jim in AZ, post: 358059, member: 249 wrote: "I think the survey part of Civil 3D was done without involving licensed land surveyors at all."
I don't see any significant difference between Civil 3D 2016 and Release 14. There are a few bells and whistles, but nothing of real significance. Some of the command nomenclature has not changed since it was written by Softdesk in the 1980's. If there have been any surveyors involved in the process since then I would be quite surprised.
"I personally do not feel comfortable move & rotate survey 1000 points by utilizing AutoCAD move and rotate commands."
I do this all the time! I can't figure out any other way to do it and it works perfectly for me.
Civil 3D has many issues, but I use it to solve and draft boundary and ALTA surveys, prepare topographical surveys, prepare backup calcs for construction staking, output the mathematical portions of descriptions, and all of the myriad of other survey functions I perform. I hate AutoDesk's captive marketing, and the learning curve was steep, but the product is extremely useful. BTW - I never use the survey database - I found it to be an unnecessary and confusing option.
I like Civil 3D a lot. It is a great software and I do all drafting just utilizing just Civil 3D. However you are the first land surveyor that telling that he likes it for property lines adjustment routines. So I was wondering if you could share with me whatever I probably don't know yet. Hopefully this conversation will be helpful for others as well.
You stated that you do not create a survey database at all. Therefore you are not able to do traverse closure adjustments, field to finish and other stuff they offer within database. Do you import a filed book file or you utilize any other type of imports?
gregkogan, post: 358079, member: 9416 wrote: I like Civil 3D a lot. It is a great software and I do all drafting just utilizing just Civil 3D. However you are the first land surveyor that telling that he likes it for property lines adjustment routines. So I was wondering if you could share with me whatever I probably don't know yet. Hopefully this conversation will be helpful for others as well.
You stated that you do not create a survey database at all. Therefore you are not able to do traverse closure adjustments, field to finish and other stuff they offer within database. Do you import a filed book file or you utilize any other type of imports?
Apparentlys I misunderstood your comments - I analyze and adjust raw data using StarNet and Transform. I use Civil 3D to transform the data produced by that software into a drawing. I've never found AutoDesk's adjustment process to be functional.
Jim in AZ, post: 358059, member: 249 wrote: I don't see any significant difference between Civil 3D 2016 and Release 14.
The field to finish function of C3d is vastly different, and much better, than it was in LDT.
