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(@said-lot)
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With one eye on the news, I checked out GPS world this morning and was surprised to learn of a few concerning articles on Russia and GLONASS, GNSS, and GPS dating back to last year.?ÿ I was not aware, for instance, that Russia had threatened NATO to take out 32 GPS satellites after a successful missile test last year.?ÿ Was also not aware Russia is already prepared to do without GLONASS and GNSS (at least for battle).?ÿ Anyone else out there concerned about these developments??ÿ Should we expect shenanigans to be limited to operations near Ukraine, or is the whole system ripe for disruptions as leverage in a larger geopolitical conflict??ÿ ?ÿ ?ÿ?ÿ

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Posted : 22/02/2022 9:36 am
(@norman-oklahoma)
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Let's hope that Bad Vlad has the sense to realize that blasting satellites out of the sky would end very badly for everybody, especially him. But a?ÿ healthy dose of signal scrambling shouldn't surprise anybody.?ÿ

 
Posted : 22/02/2022 10:21 am
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Posted by: @said-lot

With one eye on the news, I checked out GPS world this morning and was surprised to learn of a few concerning articles on Russia and GLONASS, GNSS, and GPS dating back to last year.?ÿ I was not aware, for instance, that Russia had threatened NATO to take out 32 GPS satellites after a successful missile test last year.?ÿ Was also not aware Russia is already prepared to do without GLONASS and GNSS (at least for battle).?ÿ Anyone else out there concerned about these developments??ÿ Should we expect shenanigans to be limited to operations near Ukraine, or is the whole system ripe for disruptions as leverage in a larger geopolitical conflict??ÿ ?ÿ ?ÿ?ÿ

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GPS satellites would be the first to be terminated.?ÿ Why wouldn't they be targeted??ÿ?ÿ

 
Posted : 22/02/2022 10:50 am
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The death of GPS would essentially break our finance system, our communications, our transport, etc etc etc

 
Posted : 22/02/2022 11:19 am
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Serious question...how many surveyors today could function without GNSS? I know of some companies that ONLY do RTK, they don't even have conventional equipment. I realize that would be the least of our worries, but just wondering....

 
Posted : 22/02/2022 12:04 pm
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I could go back.

But, geeze loooeeze!

I would miss my Javad!

Nate

 
Posted : 22/02/2022 12:24 pm
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Posted by: @john-hamilton

Serious question...how many surveyors today could function without GNSS? I know of some companies that ONLY do RTK, they don't even have conventional equipment. I realize that would be the least of our worries, but just wondering...

We certainly could as most in the PNW could. The situation is the opposite here, with many surveyors not yet owning GPS. Tying things to the NSRS would become much more difficult, to the point of impractical for ordinary work. So the GIS would quickly wither on the vine.?ÿ?ÿ

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My old buddies back in OK would manage after a period of chaos. They owned total stations. Rarely used total stations. Nevertheless there would be some outfits in OK which would be dead in the water.?ÿ

 
Posted : 22/02/2022 12:26 pm
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Posted by: @john-hamilton

how many surveyors today could function without GNSS?

I could function; I wouldn't be happy, but I could function.

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they don't even have conventional equipment

Not even a tape?


GIF
 
Posted : 22/02/2022 12:27 pm
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@dougie?ÿ

I thought Spock was going to be in the scene where they come to present day Earth and he laments trying to do things with "bear skins and stone axes."

 
Posted : 22/02/2022 12:30 pm
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No GNSS sounds good to me, just means more???ø???ø???ø

 
Posted : 22/02/2022 12:46 pm
(@jim-frame)
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Most of my work is done with a robotic total station.?ÿ But the jobs that need GNSS couldn't be done without it in any practical way.

 
Posted : 22/02/2022 12:50 pm
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That would certainly ground my RTK drone.?ÿ It dials into the statewide RTN and collects photos or LiDAR during the mission.

 
Posted : 22/02/2022 12:59 pm
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Of all the constellations, russia is the weakest. No L5 equivalent. Galileo and Beidou are the best constellations and, not surprisingly, are the newest. The US has new satellites finished and able to be launched, but are in storage since existing satellites are ƒ??still functioning ƒ??.?ÿ

 
Posted : 22/02/2022 3:46 pm
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...And then you forget the dealing with that intl space station thingy....oh yeah baby, they own a pretty decent chunk of that....outter space throw down??? Get some!!!!!

Yikes.

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Posted : 22/02/2022 3:51 pm
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We could get the beer ready and perform astro observations again. ?ÿMaybe I could ask for a raise. ?ÿNot to many folks left that can do astro observations to Polaris or sun or a few other stars. Maybe just maybe I could get a pay raise. Lol. ?ÿ Also all the software that has server licensed and all those that have to connect to Internet would be no more. ?ÿInternet timing atm cell phones all would not work. ?ÿI still have two in the box 300 ft add steel tapes so no worries. Just send up the smoke signals and me and my steel chain plumb bob chaining pins will be available. ?ÿ?ÿ

 
Posted : 22/02/2022 3:58 pm
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