If you have failed the FS Test twice and managed to pass on Lucky Number 3, what did you do to pass it finally? How did you do your study schedule? How long did you study for? What materials did you use to study? What was your primary focus?
Also, I'm a weak test taker, and I'm weak in math. Was any of you the same? If so, what did you do for that?
Please help!
Up at 4am and study until you have to do something else. Get the practice test and see how you do working it cold in the time allotted. You could probably spend a morning researching each question and formulating a strategy for how to attack that kind of problem on the live exam (or in the field).
Figure out how to run the calculator with your non-writing hand. If you are not using an HP35 consider doing so, because the HP "reverse Polish" way of doing things will help in writing out your intermediate calcs. If you are not writing out all your intermediate calcs on scratch paper as you work the exam, you are handicapping yourself.
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Test taking is a skill. So is mathematics. If you cannot develop those skills, perhaps being a PLS isn't for you.
Success, generally speaking, isn't about pushing through your weaknesses as much as it is highlighting your strengths. I am not saying to quit when things get hard, but an assessment of your strengths and weakness is critical.
Perhaps you are great at getting business in the door and finishing projects. Many surveyors are not, that stuff isn't on the test.
I am not saying that you need to run from the industry if getting licensed isn't for you. I know guys making a lot of money without a license.?ÿ
But, if you assess that this is indeed for you:
- Get as much practice test material as you can.
- Take practice tests as close to the real things as you can.
- You have taken it twice, so you know what it is, set up conditions as close as possible to the test.
- Take 4 practice tests that last the length of the real exam over a period of a month or two.
- Reuse questions if you have to, rewrite them if needed. (Ask your mentor for help if needed.)
- If you can, save enough questions for a "real" test at the end.
- The last practice test should be scheduled to leave you a weekend to study what you need to study.
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Hopefully, you pass it by that point. You will have a clock in your head, you will have a good strategy, and you will have confidence (especially if you passed the final practice test).
BTW, test are an area where engineers have an advantage. By the time they get to test taking they have taken dozens of finals over their areas of expertise. You go through OJT from chainman to project surveyor and you never sit down for so much as an hour and take a test.
Just remember you only have to pass it once.?ÿ I despise tests and will never take another one as long as I can help it.?ÿ Passing the test doesn't make you a good surveyor.?ÿ The smartest surveyor I ever mentored under couldn't manage his way out of paper bag, but he new his book stuff well.?ÿ I took over his position while still being unlicensed back in the day.
The most important thing about a licensing test taking is this: It's not about getting the right answers. It's about accumulating enough points in the allotted time to pass the test.
So as a strategy:
when beginning the exam, skim the test and flag (mentally or on notepad) any question that you know will take extra time to solve. Categorize, say, by 1 to 4 scale on how hard they are.
Next answer all the not-flagged questions, thereby accumulating points.
Then, go back and attempt the flagged questions, easier first, progressing to harder.
Accumulate points, not correct answers.
Don't stay up all night cramming.?ÿ Get a good night's rest.
How long did you study for? What materials did you use to study?
I studied at least some everyday for most of 2 years before the FS. I accumulated a small library of surveying books. I read Brown's books cover to cover and wore out my LS asking questions about what I thought it said.?ÿ I attended a night class on exam prep at Oregon State University. I watched all the Caltrans videos. I acquired 3 different sample exam books which totalled over 1200 questions. These last were, perhaps, the most useful to me.?ÿ
All this was prior to my first internet experience. If I was doing it today I'd take advantage of a lot of free online courses and a million youtubes.?ÿ ?ÿ
The most important thing about a licensing test taking is this: It's not about getting the right answers. It's about accumulating enough points in the allotted time to pass the test.
So as a strategy:
when beginning the exam, skim the test and flag (mentally or on notepad) any question that you know will take extra time to solve. Categorize, say, by 1 to 4 scale on how hard they are.Next answer all the not-flagged questions, thereby accumulating points.
Then, go back and attempt the flagged questions, easier first, progressing to harder.
Accumulate points, not correct answers.
Great advice.?ÿ The clock is your enemy not the test or the questions. Stay positive.?ÿ?ÿ
What do you have in the way of formal education??ÿ Just two courses would go a long way to making you more comfortable with both the math and the test-taking.?ÿ I think the two most important ones would be Plane Surveying and Curves & Earthwork (Highway surveying).?ÿ Developing a high comfort level with that kind of material would really smooth things out for you if you haven't taken those yet.
If you have failed the FS Test twice and managed to pass on Lucky Number 3, what did you do to pass it finally? How did you do your study schedule? How long did you study for? What materials did you use to study? What was your primary focus?
Also, I'm a weak test taker, and I'm weak in math. Was any of you the same? If so, what did you do for that?
Please help!
If you have to study for it, you shouldn't be taking it
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@skeeter1996 and if you don't study you're a fool....
If you have failed the FS Test twice and managed to pass on Lucky Number 3, what did you do to pass it finally? How did you do your study schedule? How long did you study for? What materials did you use to study? What was your primary focus?
Also, I'm a weak test taker, and I'm weak in math. Was any of you the same? If so, what did you do for that?
Please help!
If you have to study for it, you shouldn't be taking it
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Ask me the last time I calculated any curve by hand or even with a calculator. It has been many years. Sure, I know how, but I would need practice (study) to be fast enough at it to make it through a test.
BTW, test are an area where engineers have an advantage. By the time they get to test taking they have taken dozens of finals over their areas of expertise. You go through OJT from chainman to project surveyor and you never sit down for so much as an hour and take a test.
Funny, I went through the engineering program after I got my California PLS. When the finals schedule came out, my much younger classmates would freak out if they had two finals on the same day. Having already taken and passed an 8 hour licensing exam (10 problems back then and there was no chance of finishing them all) which I studied 5 months for, I would just smile and think "kids these days. I won't even break a sweat on these finals."
I am no help on the FS prep. It wasn't even a dream back in 1986. I will say studying long and hard in a productive way to not only increase knowledge, but time management, was the key for me back then.
Not sure how much these would help if you don't like math or tests, but I've got a couple papers that helped me.?ÿ One is Problems Solved for the FS/PS and the other, Math for the Surveyor by James Coan.?ÿ Happy to share if you'd like.
@dave-o I would like the help. Thanks!?ÿ
@thebionicman Must be a smart fool. I was working out of town the month before the test. I walked out an hour in the morning before time was up and hour and a half in the afternoon before time was up. Question using Simpson's one third rule was the most difficult question.?ÿ The LS text was the easiest test of all four. The EIT was pretty difficult. The solution was to breeze through the questions and pick out the easiest one first and pick the next easiest and so on. I was quite familiar with calculating intersections with curves. That's the hardest they can throw at you on the LS test. I had memorized the State Laws and Regulations months before because I had to follow them.
@skeeter1996 I didn't say it couldn't be done, only that it isn't a good choice not to prepare. I've passed the nationals, five states and CFedS all on the first try. I took several of those tests with capable surveyors who ended up failing. They are good practitioners but didn't get enough of the obscure questions correct to pass. A little prep and they would have been home free.?ÿ
@thebionicman Pin a little rose on you.
Spend a few hours researching science based study techniques. Incorporating clumping and physical activity with your studying will help tremendously.?ÿ
Use silly or otherwise memorable stories to help remember terms and definitions.
Do a bit of self experimentation to find the best way you absorb information. I knew one fella who record himself reading then play back the recording as he drove to and from work. He claimed that he took in information better from audio than visual.