So I was given an offer from what seemed to be a great opportunity.?ÿ Except, the first thing in the offer states 'Seasonal full-time work...' Does anyone out here offer jobs with that stipulation in the opening??ÿ The seasonal part is what stopped me in my tracks. This isn't an amazon packing job for Xmas, or UPS/FEDEX overflow.?ÿ Its land surveying. Inside of a bigger construction engineering architectual science group.
I'm going to foist upon them the question: Do you state seasonal full time for all the hourly employees in all divisions, or just the survey division??ÿ?ÿ
Any and all thoughts are welcome, because I've never seen an offer letter ever regardless of what I was doing with 'seasonal' in the description of work.
And I want to know the hours of expected work operations and a full comprehensive job description so I can fully understand what they expect me to be providing them and not ALL OTHER DUTIES AS ASSIGNED......?ÿ
Am I on planet earth anymore?
And just got texted that these are plug and play forms and don't change.....just the number and the dates...WTF? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?????ÿ
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I'd expect that it's somewhere where there's much less work in the winter so you're laid off/not working then. If it wasn't surveying, like you, I'd assume it's holiday-related or a summer/winter vacation area.
I managed crews for a mid-sized engineering/surveying firm years back. That's what we let the survey crew members know upfront when they hired on, due to the winter weather conditions there could be 2-3 weeks or more when the job sites were shut down.
Understood.?ÿ Last survey company based where this is didn't stipulate the same, nor has any other job I've ever been offered, hence the confusion. Esp because we never talked about seasonal slow down etc., and that would be important before saying
"Oh btw, your benefits aren't current because you're not working 40+ hours a week," etc.?ÿ?ÿ
Thank you for the reply.
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....and as I slowly eliminate my potential for finding any more work country wide by blathering here, am I just nuts for seeing the details of the worker/employer relationship as just" Shut up and work, you're lucky we gave you a job"? Maybe I just have had better luck than the rest, or I did my homework and my Momma didn't raise a dummy. Meh.
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Understood. That's a discussion that the employer needs to imbue in the process, not plop it out on the offer letter last second.
By putting that "Seasonal-Full Time work" statement on my offer letter, who the hell will lend me money or rent a place till i decide to buy??ÿ I know I would have reservations, who wouldn't.?ÿ
I hadn't seen that before either until I went to South Dakota for that bridge project. I wasn't one of them but we had "hands" who were considered "full time seasonal" employees. Like others have said, it's because of the location and the fact that winter can last for weeks keeping them from working.
We didn't change their benefits during that time but their paychecks were going to feel it.
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Are you communicating with them strictly via text and email?
If so, maybe a phone call will help?
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its the nature of the job in some locations, I get it. And if they shut down operations, if you're deemed and classified seasonal, may not classify for UE, not that its worth a bucket of warm spit, but recently its gotten way more valuable i think.
Would you loan money to a "seasonal" employee??ÿ Rent to one??ÿ its a real dilemma.
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My official position title is Senior Field Crew Chief. Big woop. I'm only Seasonal unless I raise that flag to ask why?
I'm firing off the email so I can initiate the phone call. This is an HR/LEGAL/RISK issue getting in the way of what the Surveyor wants and needs, and me not being a rube pushover.?ÿ I'll be calling the guy that actually invested in the process after the volley to the HLR wankers is launched.?ÿ If I lose the opportunity, at least i didn't waste 5k+ moving and getting stuck in an apartment or house i didn't want at a rate I couldn't afford afterwards.?ÿ
@jitterboogie I'm going to suggest that you may wish to apply a little more filtering to your postings here. Remember that this is a public, wide-open forum. I'm recalling how a few days ago in the "Not Sure" thread that you were "sniffing around" - which I believe was in reference to nepotism in the workplace, but could have been interpreted by someone as searching for another job. And then, 1 day later, you were fired. Could have been a coincidence, could be somebody connected the jitterboogie handle to a real person, and exercised their power to get rid of you. As relieved as you were to have that decision made, you are now searching for a more satisfying position. Using terminology such as "the HLR wankers" could work against you. Just something to think about. Good luck.
This is an HR/LEGAL/RISK issue getting in the way of what the Surveyor wants and needs
IMHO -Putting risk issues ahead of production issues is what's known as "effectively operating a business" and more people in our profession should try it.?ÿ?ÿ
Surveying is a seasonal job.?ÿ It is typical for work to slow up in winter, and for weeks to be a little short at that time. Typically there is OT in the summer which, ideally, balances that out. If it is a steady diet of 40 hr weeks you are needing look for a government job.
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The current state of employment is if you lay somebody off you may not get them back.
Depends on the employer depends on the location.
The simple fact that I've never been given anything with a seasonal full-time position spelled out in a non-contract contract called the job offer is the sticking point. I wouldnt move my family or anyone else from any other state to a different state with the offer of seasonal employment would you?
Duly noted the comment was actually from someone else and I just mentioned that there was lots of names of two different sets of families listed throughout the company just confirming that yeah there was lots of family working for this company.
I wasn't sniffing out nepotism. I was in it.
I have never viewed land surveying as seasonal work.?ÿ Sure, there are days no one really wants to be outside, but, that is what the job is all about.?ÿ There are certain things that can be done inside, even if it's nothing more than finding certain deed books and hauling them to where I am and opening them to the stated page, then immediately heading off to get the next one while returning the one I no longer need.?ÿ Dull, you bet.?ÿ Pays the same as freezing your butt off, you bet.?ÿ Teaching another employee why it takes far more than field work to know how to do the job, you bet.?ÿ -10F to 115F, good chance I'm going to the field with them to remove any thought that I am an overpaid office puke.
It's not such a bad thing to collect a little cash and rest/recharge during the crappiest time of the year to be outside anyway, imo.?ÿ But yeah if there's a chance of seasonal layoff then that should be mentioned in the job listing or during the interview.
All our help is seasonal, full time. Usually 50+ hours a week. Winter construction mostly shuts down after freeze up and seasonal help gets laid off until spring. If they prove their value to the operation I do everything I can to keep them going as long as I can because I want them back. If they're a PIA, they??re first to get laid off. Works for some people but not all. My first seasonal helper would rather be skiing and couldn??t wait to get his pink slip and by spring was hungry to work again. Maybe try asking for some clarification as to what to expect? Remember it??s a two way street and any arrangement has to work well for both sides. Passive aggressive types tend to suck a lot of the joy out of life. Just say??in.
