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(@bstrand)
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I made an appointment to get the lasik thing done this past December.?ÿ LasikPlus has an office here so I went with them, and I think the total was... $3860 for both eyes.

My vision wasn't that bad before actually, but afterwards I could see clearly without glasses.?ÿ About 4-5 months later it seemed like my vision worsened ever so slightly.?ÿ I couldn't tell if I was just imagining things or what so I went and got an exam at an eye clinic.?ÿ My suspicion was confirmed as my sight in 1 eye declined enough to drag down my overall vision enough that it was noticeable.

The lasik people warned me about this ahead of time saying everyone's eyes heal differently, during which time vision can fluctuate, but that it typically stabilizes 6 months after the surgery.?ÿ The nice thing, or so they advertised at LasikPlus, was they had some sort of guarantee.?ÿ If it so happens that your eyes stabilize at less than 20/20 then they would do an adjustment at no additional cost to bring them into the 20/20 range that they advertise.

Anyway, after my clinic visit I went straight to the LasikPlus office and asked them what they thought of the situation.?ÿ They had a doctor available so he took a look at my eyes and confirmed the clinic's finding.?ÿ He said to come back in a couple months though to be sure my eyes were fully stabilized.?ÿ I said OK.

I went back in a couple weeks ago and another doctor took another look at my eyes and confirmed the previous guy's findings, the clinic findings, etc.?ÿ He said I'm "probably justified in requesting an adjustment" but asked if I couldn't simply live with how they are right now.?ÿ I took this as a weak attempt to talk me out of having them do the additional work.?ÿ I declined and said I'd like to move ahead with the adjustment, and he said OK we'll set it up.

So... I went out to the desk and tried to arrange a date for the surgery, but they gave me some run-around about needing to coordinate with the surgeon on when he'd next be in the office, but that I will hear from them the next day.?ÿ I didn't hear from these people for a couple weeks and it seemed to me that they were hoping I'd simply lose interest and go away.

I got a hold of them today (you can't call the offices directly, you have to call an 800-number and then get forwarded-- which is probably a red flag) and I was told the information from my previous 2 visits was forwarded to the surgeon and that he was skeptical that I needed another surgery and that he will want to check out my eyes himself.

I immediately got annoyed because I could tell from my previous 2 visits that they really, really do not like doing this "free" work and this surgeon BS is just another attempt to get out of providing the product that they advertise.?ÿ To go on a brief tangent-- my brother had this done to his eyes probably 10 years ago or less.?ÿ He paid $1000 per eye and they warned him that it might take a couple rounds to dial it in perfectly.?ÿ I think that's still the case and LasikPlus knows this so they charge about twice as much, hope to nail it on the first try, and then try to weasel out of the second round so they can just pocket that extra $2000 if they don't.

Anyway, the secretary immediately got some attitude with me so that makes me think this sort of thing happens regularly.?ÿ She went on to give me some more run-around about not knowing the surgeon's schedule for August but that they're having a meeting about it tomorrow and that they'll contact me as soon as they figure it out.

I'm still reasonably optimistic that I'll get the adjustment, but I think these people are going to fight me on it every step of the way.?ÿ Talk about annoying.

 
Posted : July 18, 2022 4:12 pm
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Ugh. That's a crock.

I hope you get resolution.

And not a free pair of frames from their in-house optometrist.

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Good luck!

 
Posted : July 18, 2022 4:31 pm
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/11/well/lasik-complications-vision.html

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I am not sure if this was the article or if it was some other that persuaded me that lasik was sketchy.?ÿ

I hope your recovery and or correction goes smoothly and that you are a happy camper soon.

 
Posted : July 19, 2022 1:15 am
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LASIK Plus did my eyes back in 2010.?ÿ $700 touch up on my right eye and $1700 on my left with an astigmatism.?ÿ Best money I ever spent.?ÿ They were awesome but I didn't have to go back for any adjustment.?ÿ I just had my annual eye check up yesterday and it's just now starting to degrade a little.?ÿ That comes with age.?ÿ?ÿ

 
Posted : July 19, 2022 9:38 am
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@party-chef Those stories always scared me off.?ÿ I've many friends who have had successful lasik, but given my luck - I would be the one with the night lights, itchy eyes, and barely improved vision.?ÿ I'll stick with old tech contacts or glasses.

 
Posted : July 19, 2022 11:59 am
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Maybe I'm lucky, I can't have laser eye surgery, my eyes have a condition that won't allow it.?ÿ

 
Posted : July 19, 2022 1:41 pm
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Oh geez, they've done this procedure millions of times now so I think they've got a pretty good handle on it.?ÿ Plus they do an evaluation beforehand to try to weed out the people who's body won't respond well to it.?ÿ You could die to some freak thing during a routine cleaning at your dentist but does that stop you from going??ÿ There is risk associated with everything so to me the real question when it comes to this is are you willing to spend 10-15 minutes to get rid of your coke bottle glasses for the rest of your life or is the 0.00001% chance of dry eyes a bridge too far.

 
Posted : July 19, 2022 2:02 pm
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Posted by: @bstrand

are you willing to spend 10-15 minutes to get rid of your coke bottle glasses for the rest of your life

Nope. The risks are too great.

 
Posted : July 19, 2022 3:17 pm
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@half-bubble

Maybe they would let you do 1 eyeball at a time so that way you only get half screwed.

 
Posted : July 19, 2022 3:24 pm
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It's like Loyal said about buying rods and bubbles, get the most expensive not the cut rate outfit. At this point I would go find the 20K re-play and send the first guys a bill.

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Posted : July 19, 2022 5:49 pm
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Posted by: @bstrand

@half-bubble

Maybe they would let you do 1 eyeball at a time so that way you only get half screwed.

That's actually what I did per my wife's wishes.

 
Posted : July 20, 2022 3:29 am
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Only had one eye done. Monovision it was called. Dominant eye gets fixed and the other left crappy. One for distance, one for close work. Been very happy after something like 20 years. Even improved my trap scores.

 
Posted : July 20, 2022 6:33 am
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@ontarget1

Same here with monovision. Can do or read anything without glasses, but the need for sunglasses seems to have increasaed. Best money I ever spent. The brain is remarkable with respect to adapting to monovision. ?????ÿ

 
Posted : July 20, 2022 7:07 am
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@half-bubble?ÿ

"you get what you pay for" is a wise saying..... ?????ÿ

 
Posted : July 20, 2022 7:08 am
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@flga-2-2


GIF

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Posted : July 20, 2022 7:50 am
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@dougie

but if you try sometime you get what you need.... ?????ÿ

 
Posted : July 20, 2022 8:02 am
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@bstrand You've got your decimal way in the wrong spot.?ÿ There is about a 30% chance of dry eye (which is reported to usually go away within six months - usually).?ÿ There is about a 5% chance that you will still require glasses or contacts.?ÿ Those are considered side effects.

There is about a 1% chance of what are considered complications.?ÿ Which would be the loss of some vision or night halos that don't go away, etc...

These are the optimistic stats pulled from a website where they are selling the idea of LASIK (which pulled from medical journals for their information).

Over 700K surgeries performed in 2020.?ÿ That means about 210,000 people experiencing the dry eye side effect (and nowhere could I find clarification of how many the "usually" was that it didn't go away for).?ÿ 35,000 people who are still going to be using glasses or contacts, just a different prescription.?ÿ 7,000 people who would have had actual complications such as even poorer vision than they started with (some not even correctable with glasses or contacts after the surgery).

Yes, it is possible for death to occur in some pretty mundane processes such as a dental visit (usually related to anesthesia).?ÿ However, potential issues with LASIK are not non-existent.?ÿ AND it is an elective surgery often, though not always, taken for vanity reasons of "get[ting] rid of your coke bottle glasses".

Folks who chose not to do it can very well point to the 30%, 5%, & 1% issues listed above as a valid reason to not undertake an elective procedure.?ÿ I'm very happy for those who had successful LASIK surgery, but it is not something I will elect to do.

 
Posted : July 21, 2022 1:04 pm
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Posted by: @half-bubble
Posted by: @bstrand

are you willing to spend 10-15 minutes to get rid of your coke bottle glasses for the rest of your life

Nope. The risks are too great.

My optometrist advised me not to ever have eye surgery - he felt the risks were far too great. I've heard good and bad stories about Lasik, and ones where peoples vision varied from good to bad to good to worse over time.

I didn't realize that Lasik was still performed, I thought it was all RK now...

 
Posted : July 21, 2022 1:28 pm
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Posted by: @jon-payne

AND it is an elective surgery often, though not always, taken for vanity reasons of "get[ting] rid of your coke bottle glasses".

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I only wore glasses for about two years and that was enough.?ÿ At that time, I was working 100% in the field.?ÿ Dusty construction sites sucked.?ÿ Having sweat roll off your forehead and ponding in your glasses while you were bent over digging a hole or pounding stakes was miserable.?ÿ Having your glasses fog up while having your camo head net on while turkey hunting was aggravating.?ÿ None of that now.?ÿ I remember that night of the day I had my bad eye done.?ÿ We were on the floor of the now Enterprise Center, where the St. Louis Blues play hockey, attending a trivia night.?ÿ I could look up and read every sign in that arena.?ÿ?ÿ

 
Posted : July 22, 2022 5:55 am
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I had two new lens replacements. Cost about $4000. The eye Surgeon had six of us lined up in separate chairs. Took him less than 10 minutes a patient. In less than an hour he skinned a cool $24,000. Day after surgery I could read the caller ID from across the room and read the entire newspaper including the legal ads. No night halos at all.

Four months later, I can barely read the cartoons in the newspaper, can't even see the caller ID let alone read it, and night halos are worse than before the surgery. Still 2 months till my 1/2 year checkup. What a downer. I was so pleased, now pure disappointment. My Trap and Skeet careers are in the toilet. Went from 24's to 16's. Can't pickup any hard lefts until they're about to hit the ground. Most guys have had to have the tuneup treatment day it improves thinks immensely.

 
Posted : July 22, 2022 6:45 am
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