Help Needed for my Cousins...Niagara County, New York Area.

Boundary work in that part of the state is unique. This plat is a fine example why.

It shows No bearings or azimuths. Just two interior angles. It's enough but why?

Posted by: @leegreen

Boundary work in that part of the state is unique. This plat is a fine example why.

It shows No bearings or azimuths. Just two interior angles. It's enough but why?

I found it odd that it has more details about the structures than the boundaries.

Posted by: @wendell

I found it odd that it has more details about the structures than the boundaries.

I thought the same!

Also why did they show offsets to structures more than 70ft from boundary,?ÿ while not showing adjoiner structures less than 30ft away?

I did some really BAD georeferencing in QGIS with the (NOT flat/plain) map you provided . Used some house corners from BING airial maps to get an idea where the parcel is. Because i could not find any free county GIS.

1.Maybe try to find the 2 iron pins at Porter Center Road starting at the existing house with long measuring tape, shovel and metal detector. They seem to be ~2meters away from the power line (just a guess depending from the height of the powerline).

2.Measure distance to border from still existing garage (point 4) or shed (point 6).

3. If your cousins are good at metal detector, find iron pins in the woods and cut a free line of sight through the woods without trespassing and cutting neighbours trees ???? ?

4. If that does not work, i would recommend to call a surveyor to find the pins and show you where the line goes.

regards from germany

Why get a survey if you donƒ??t plan on preserving the corners? ?ÿPay once or pay twice. ?ÿSplit the cost?ÿ

Preachin' to the choir.

I've had jobs we have gone back to as many as four times over the years.

Angel, it may be possible to figure out some additional information from a flat image of the survey drawing, of high enough resolution so the numbers can be read. 300 dpi would work.

If your cousins were to take the drawing to a copy shop, they'd be able to scan it, either all at once or in pieces, and provide digital files that could be uploaded. Scanning it all at once would be best, but that would depend on the type of scanner available. Partial scans can be fitted together with photo software, as long as they overlap.

@fairbanksls?ÿ

Apparently the neighbors are not the friendliest. They have a sign on the porch that says "Go Away!" ????ÿ

Here's the responsible party-

Call Terra Pointe and hire them to stake that portion of the line?

No?

The standard in NY is to show adjoining improvements if they are 3 feet or closer to the property line and random trees are not typically shown. That's not my part of NY, but McIntosh and McIntosh out of Lockport NY would be my recommendation if they want a different surveyor.?ÿ

@ars-mine-surveyor?ÿ

Only 3ft, not my standard practice for NY rural surveys.?ÿ That old shed on neighbors parcel should have an offset to boundary line.

I surveyed in New York for a number of years. Unfortunately all surveyors didnƒ??t follow my standard practices. ?ÿThey didnƒ??t realize it would make them better surveyors.?ÿ

FWIW, here is a GIS map, pasted together from screenshots. The neighbor's shed near the dying tree seems to be visible on the narrow adjoining parcel to the north.

The survey shows distances to the north property line from the existing garage on the cousin's property, and from another object that might be a shed. It would probably be possible to measure out those distances to get an approximate location for the north property line. But would the neighbor find that credible? Not necessarily.

The survey seems OK as far as it goes, despite its lack of such detail as an offset to the neighbor's shed. And the corner markers may well still be in place. But as Mike1202 suggested, it's not possible for a homeowner to run a straight line this long between corner markers, especially since about 600 feet of it would run through the woods.

On a property this size, having a surveyor set durable markers along property lines, in areas of interest, would be a good long-term investment. It has not been done so far, and thus no one has paid for it.

If a surveyor were to be called in, it would be possible to have both north and south lines marked, from the road back to the woods. The south line is not of interest now, but having both lines marked at once would save money in the long run.

The neighbor is probably raising a fuss about the dying tree. No one can resolve the matter, and no legal action of any sort could be taken, until the line is marked.

On the other hand, a fussy neighbor, like a crying child, needs to be calmed down, if possible, so they don't get worse. Often such individuals merely want to be listened to. If that is done they frequently become easier to deal with.

Listening to a crabby neighbor is not necessarily a pleasant thing to do, but it's possible. It's a sort of everyday diplomacy that's useful in many other aspects of life.

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Splitting the cost of dealing with the tree (or even the full cost) would be cheaper than a survey?ÿ if they choose to kick the can down the road. And vastly cheaper than a legal fight.

Perhaps the suggestions from @rplumb314 and others would let them get a good idea of the line to help make a decision.

Posted by: @rplumb314

FWIW, here is a GIS map,

The map doesn't seem to line up with occupation, in different directions in various places, so I wouldn't put much stock in its lines.

Posted by: @bill93

Posted by: @rplumb314

FWIW, here is a GIS map,

The map doesn't seem to line up with occupation, in different directions in various places, so I wouldn't put much stock in its lines.

Yes, situation normal. I've seen GIS maps in Minnesota where the lines scaled 50 feet or so out of position. It seems to vary from one county to another.

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