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Hello RPLS community,
I’m a property owner in Atlanta, GA dealing with a challenging situation and seeking expert advice from licensed land surveyors familiar with FEMA’s MT-EZ process.
My parcel ( land only) has varying elevations — some areas are clearly above the Base Flood Elevation (BFE), while others are borderline or right at it. I am currently trying to file a Letter of Map Amendment (LOMA) using the MT-EZ form to remove the land only from the Special Flood Hazard Area (SFHA).
However, I’ve been told by the surveyor I consulted that a full topographic survey is required, which I’m not financially prepared for at the moment. I’m under time-sensitive pressure because the City is threatening condemnation next week if I cannot provide elevation clarification.
I’ve reviewed FEMA’s guidance and see that Section B of the MT-EZ form allows for:
- A certified spot elevation for land-only removal, and
- The use of a metes-and-bounds description to request removal of just the high-elevation portion of the lot,
without necessarily requiring full topo contours.
I’m looking for:
- Advice or confirmation that spot elevation + partial removal request is acceptable to FEMA
- Input from anyone who has successfully filed similar MT-EZ packages without a full topo
- Possibly a Georgia-based RPLS willing to help me prepare Section B of the MT-EZ and provide certified elevation for the highest part of the property only — even if this means filing for a partial LOMA now and completing the rest later
This land is important to me and my family’s future. I’m not trying to cut corners — I’m just trying to avoid unnecessary expense for a full topo if FEMA will accept targeted elevation data under their own guidelines.
Any help, advice, or connections to a surveyor who understands this process and may be willing to work with me is greatly appreciated.
Get a full topo immediately and have a licensed land surveyor write a description for the area above the BFE and provide proof that any structures are in that area and that the lowest floor of those structures are viewed as above the BFE. I am not licensed in Georgia but have been doing flood plain work for over 30 years. Do not expect an answer from FEMA any time soon even if the information is e-filed.
@holy-cow so are you saying it’s not other way around it but a Topo survey?
Read the landing page at the following link carefully.
https://www.fema.gov/flood-maps/change-your-flood-zone/paper-application-forms/mt-ez
"existing structure or parcel" not elevated by fill.... There is a different process for fill. If there is an existing structure, you only need to survey around it to determine eligibility for use of the MT-EZ. If there is no existing structure, then you may need to sign up for full topo, or at least enough topo to identify where you can build so that the entire structure is out of the flood plain. You may need to get a second opinion, and you may end up going back to your first surveyor....
Dealing with FEMA is a challenging and frustrating process. Those who have worked to satisfy every detail FEMA can dream up can be of the most help to you. If something seems easy and very clear, stop, remember this is the US government, they have no concept of easy or clear. Forget fast.
@learner Hey it’s land only . Just trying to find out do I have to get a Topo in order to get it out .
Some clarification is in order here. The Form MT-EZ is specifically used only for certifying that either a structure, or an entire parcel of land lies above the flood plain. It cannot be used to remove a portion, or portions, of a parcel from the mapped flood area. With your land's elevation lying at, above, or below the 100-year flood elevation, you will need a full topographic survey and a full boundary survey to determine the extent of the predicted 100-year flood and a metes and bounds description of those areas elevated above the flood plain tied to your parcel boundaries. You will have to file this with the full LOMA application form. There is no cheap and easy way to do this.
@holy-cow anyone you can recommend in Georgia.
There are a few Georgia land surveyors who participate here. At least one of them might be interested if they are near your home area. I wouldn't go over 50 miles from home for this particular service.
@qb2025 Here is a screenshot from the Fulton County GIS, with elevation contours. Not sure of your parcel boundaries but this most likely includes some of it.
Also attached is a Firmette or mini-flood map. You have probably seen this before, or something like it.
The contours are hard to interpret in this case, since they are only labeled every 20 feet. I don't know the source of the contours, but perhaps Lidar, i.e. airborne laser scanners. Also, the elevation datum of these contours might be different from what FEMA used in their mapping.
I'd suggest reviewing this material with a local surveyor who is experienced in this work. The GIS contours will likely give you an idea of where you stand before ordering a survey.
If you don't get a response from your post asking for a surveyor, you might want to start calling around. You could start with the firm that did your boundary survey. If they don't do this sort of thing they may be able to refer you elsewhere.
@rplumb314 ok thank you
I recently had a request from a client that was identical to yours. (in Washington State)
Page 4 (MT-EZ Instructions)
"If the request is for a portion of a parcel, a certified metes and bounds description and map of the area to be removed, certified by a licensed land surveyor or registered professional engineer, are required. The metes and bounds description must cover the specific area to be removed, and it must be tied to an identifiable starting point. If the description is for a legally recorded lot or parcel, the metes and bounds description should commence or begin at the lot or parcel corner..."
- This is impossible to ascertain without doing a topographic survey of the parcel
Page 5
"The surveyor or engineer must identify what is to be removed from the SFHA. The surveyor or engineer must provide the required elevation information as described on the form."
- This is impossible to ascertain without doing a topographic survey of the parcel
Page 7
"Lowest Lot Elevation – For requests involving property, or a portion thereof, not a structure, provide the lowest lot elevation to the nearest 0.1 foot. If the FIRM shows BFEs in meters, the accuracy of the lowest lot elevation must be to the nearest 0.1 meter. If the BFE varies across the property, please provide a certified site plan showing the range of elevations across the property."
- This is impossible to ascertain without doing a topographic survey of the parcel
In order to complete the application, you must hire a licensed surveyor who is competent to complete these items and stamp and sign your form. In order for the surveyor to correctly show the boundary in relationship to the elevations needed, they will most certainly also need to do a boundary survey.
In the 5 years I've been completing Elevation Certificates and LOMA or LOMR, none of my clients have reported successfully removing "portions of their lots" from Zone AE Floodplains based on the FIRM maps provided by FEMA.
Sorry for the harsh news. I hope you are able to keep your land!
I'm a surveyor, it's my job to tell you about all the problems you didn't know you had.
@murphy what could you tell me ?