If he's any good...
somebody snatch him up and have another crew at those rates. Sound like he'd love to work in the industry.
Yes. Here's how Wisconsin defines "property survey":
“property survey” means any land surveying which includes as
one of its principal purposes describing, monumenting, locating
the boundary lines of or mapping one or more parcels of land.
He's charging a fee, how can it NOT be?
what a sales pitch
I charge less because I am not qualified to do the job in the first place. terrific
send him to the board
send his letter to your association as well
what a sales pitch
> I charge less because I am not qualified to do the job in the first place. terrific
:good: You hit the nail on the head.
You handled that very professionally. Keep up the good work. BTW, I have the information you inquired about via email in a binder but not in a PDF format. I might try and scan it at the office. It would be a large file...
I agree and I am sure The KBOELS will too.:good:
Write a letter to BOR and include the letter you posted and let them investigate and decide.
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😉 It probably is a violation in all states. If this person lives near a state line, the board of the other state(s) should get a copy too.
What needs to happen here is a demand for a Public Service Announcement by the States Attorney, or perhaps the local news, to protect the public's interest as to a potential "scam". Who knows how many has already hired this individual.
The positive side of taking that action could be a sudden interest in Land Surveying services and a surge of work for the local Surveyor..hey, free advertising.
The KY Board will jump on him like a cat on a june bug.
Hello ________ School District:
First off, let me say that I AM NOT a teacher. However, are you tired of over-payed teachers that have huge benefits, pricey pensions and lots of vacation? I may be able to assist you.
First, I know how to talk. I've been talking for over 40 years. Second, I can read. I've been doing that for over 20 years. Put the two together, and you've got a teacher.
Keep in mind, however, if students grades drop off dramatically or there are discipline problems, you may want to call in a professional.
Here's the best part: You pay me by the student. $5/student/day. If no one shows up, you don't pay me.
Teaching has always interested me, but unfortunately I tried to eek out a living as a land surveyor.
Let me know if you're interested.
(Nearly nakid woman, waltzing around church, walmart, or the local restaurant)
I nudge the wife, and ask her if she thinks that the gal is offering to "Practice" romance, or is that just "Normal" attire.
I think that we both know the answer.
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> I received the following letter from a real estate office that I do a good deal of surveying for. The same letter was sent to all of the local realtors that I am aware of. All but one of the real estate offices threw it away and told me something seemed wrong about it (I work with a good batch of local Realtors). One kept the letter to give to me.
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> I think I have removed all of the identifying information. I would not want the name out based on my opinion that the letter is an offer for the unlicensed practice of surveying despite the disclaimers.
In at least two of the six states I am licensed, the first, fourth and fifth items in his list of services puts him across the line because he charges for those services.
I have done the location and flagging for a friend before registration in Texas, but because no money or thing of monetary value was exchanged for the service I did not violate the statutes. And it was in a new subdivision where original monuments were not hard to find or I would have bailed on the project. I knew my limitations.
> I just do not see it as appropriate for me to be judge, jury, and executioner.
Well go ahead and give me the information. I am not a judge, jurist, nor an executioner either, but I have studied this sort of thing fairly well, and i can let you know if this guy should be outted or not. Believe me, I know enough to let you know if it should go to a trial....
Okay. You ae a pretty good guy seeing that this guy published both the letter and his own name already. I thought the same thing, about outing him, but on second thought, letting everyone on this forum know would be like throwing him to the wolves.
It sounds like you're handling it perfectly. Stating up front that he is not a land surveyor is his only redeeming quality I would say. At least better than some who out-and-out lie.
In Maine:
"Practice of land surveying" means any service or work involving the application of special knowledge of the rules of evidence and boundary laws, principles of mathematics and the related physical and applied sciences for measuring and locating lines, angles, elevations, natural and man-made features in the air, on the surface of the earth, within underground workings and on the beds of bodies of water. This service or work shall be for the purposes of determining areas and volumes, for the monumenting of property boundaries and for the platting and layout of lands and subdivisions of land, including topography, alignment and grades of streets and for the preparation and perpetuation of maps, record plats, field note records and property descriptions that represent these surveys.
Hard to see how the services outlined in the letter could be rendered without such "special knowledge," so yes, I would say that in Maine it would be an offer of unlicensed practice.
Someone should send this fellow a copy of the pertinent statute and state the case that it's an illegal offer.
How about, with his teaching credentials, he offered to teach the real estate folks and land owners/adjoiners how to do their own research, monument finding, etc. etc.? Teach them how to research court cases via Google Scholar...how to use GPS and GIS? Instruct them on a few key books to read? Maybe his students would figure it is easier to contact a professional surveyor to start with...
DDSM:beer:
PS...I would send his letter to the Arkansas BOR in a heartbeat...
But does the Kentucky board have any authority to discipline non-licensees? In Maine, the board does not --it's the purview of the State's Attorney General, for whom this sort of thing is not a priority.
The board publishes disciplinary actions. There are always several people in there who are disciplined for unlicensed practice.
So they must have some stance to bring charges.
Sometimes its a deal to stop, sometimes fines.
