A question came up recently in the office...
The boundary line between a state and an adjoining country (ie: Canada), must be perambulated... Who does this? Who maintains federal boundaries? Is it the responsibility of the state? Is there a federal commission that maintains them? Is it some collaboration?
I believe it's the International Boundary Commission (IBC) that handles it. As far as the funding of maintenance where the state adjoins such a boundary... there may be some sharing but I ain't rightly sure of it.
The US Canada border is maitained by the International Boundary Commision. The US Mexico border is maintained by the International Boundary and Water Commision. Both commissions are composed of members from each country . Together they preform any neccisiary surveys of the International border.
Borders of the lands of indigenous peoples within the U.S. is a whole different ball game altogether... They are sovereign nations but the Boundary Commissions have nothing to do with them.
Jim in AZ, post: 397884, member: 249 wrote: Borders of the lands of indigenous peoples within the U.S. is a whole different ball game altogether... They are sovereign nations but the Boundary Commissions have nothing to do with them.
According to reference material tribal sovereignty within the US is considered "domestic dependent nations". Utilities are supplied to most from US soil but do not fall in a category where international commerce laws are a concern. And while there may be an "information booth" at main road entrances to some of our native nations the boundaries are considered "open". People born on the rez are considered US citizens.
As for their land boundaries I believe the BIA/BLM takes care of any disputes. And from my experience you could probably get quicker and less ambiguous results from an International Boundary Commission...in Kuala Lumpur....;)
"It may be noted that while Native American tribal sovereignty is partially limited as "domestic dependent nations," so too is the sovereignty of the federal government and the individual states ÛÒ each of which is limited by the other. The will of the people underlies the sovereignty of both the U.S. federal government and the states, but neither sovereignty is absolute and each operates within a system of dual sovereignty. According to the reservation clause of the Tenth Amendment, the federal state possesses only those powers delegated to it by the Constitution (expressly or implicitly), while all other powers are reserved to the unitary states or to the people. For example, the individual states hold full police powers. On the other hand, the unitary states, like the Indian tribes, cannot print currency or conduct foreign affairs, or exercise other powers assigned by the Constitution to the federal state. Viewed in this light, tribal sovereignty is a form of parallel sovereignty within the U.S. constitutional framework, constrained by but not subordinate to other sovereign entities."
paden cash, post: 397887, member: 20 wrote: According to reference material tribal sovereignty within the US is considered "domestic dependent nations". Utilities are supplied to most from US soil but do not fall in a category where international commerce laws are a concern. And while there may be an "information booth" at main road entrances to some of our native nations the boundaries are considered "open". People born on the rez are considered US citizens.
As for their land boundaries I believe the BIA/BLM takes care of any disputes. And from my experience you could probably get quicker and less ambiguous results from an International Boundary Commission...in Kuala Lumpur....;)
"It may be noted that while Native American tribal sovereignty is partially limited as "domestic dependent nations," so too is the sovereignty of the federal government and the individual states ÛÒ each of which is limited by the other. The will of the people underlies the sovereignty of both the U.S. federal government and the states, but neither sovereignty is absolute and each operates within a system of dual sovereignty. According to the reservation clause of the Tenth Amendment, the federal state possesses only those powers delegated to it by the Constitution (expressly or implicitly), while all other powers are reserved to the unitary states or to the people. For example, the individual states hold full police powers. On the other hand, the unitary states, like the Indian tribes, cannot print currency or conduct foreign affairs, or exercise other powers assigned by the Constitution to the federal state. Viewed in this light, tribal sovereignty is a form of parallel sovereignty within the U.S. constitutional framework, constrained by but not subordinate to other sovereign entities."
I just consulted the BLM last week regarding a project we were asked to perform. It involved a portion of a common boundary between two "domestic dependent nations". BLM had authority to resurvey one nations boundary but not the other's! These two nations literally won't even agree as to the time of day, so I know that this boundary resurvey will never occur.
Jim in AZ, post: 397911, member: 249 wrote: I just consulted the BLM last week regarding a project we were asked to perform. It involved a portion of a common boundary between two "domestic dependent nations". BLM had authority to resurvey one nations boundary but not the other's! These two nations literally won't even agree as to the time of day, so I know that this boundary resurvey will never occur.
Job security for folks at the 'LM. That sounds like a sticky one. In my younger days I use to be interested in those kinds of things, but in my old age I try to avoid being any part of the nonsense!
This is a very special case - Navajo/Hopi Joint Use Boundary in northern Arizona. The Hopi retained the right to control resurveying activities when they accepted the Joint Use Lands - the Navajo did not.
Here I thought it was probably the International GIS Community. 😉
Tom Adams, post: 397919, member: 7285 wrote: Here I thought it was probably the International GIS Community. 😉
We probably should just give up and let them have at it. Francis would aprove.
I do for TVA.
makerofmaps, post: 398100, member: 9079 wrote: I do for TVA.
TVA has federal boundaries?
Jim in AZ, post: 398112, member: 249 wrote: TVA has federal boundaries?
We are a federal corporation formed under the TVA Act. We get no money from congress since I think about 82 and are self funded through power sales.
