Late to the party, but I'll bet that surveyor is a just registered "newbie" who is uncertain what the hell to do, so show everything. I believe a lot of us have been in that position at least once. ?????ÿ
@thebionicman I recently read that in Idaho, a surveyor who intends to "reject" an existing monument must first notify the landowners and state board! Bravo.
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This is a great code, although i dont think you have to notify the board unless you can't come to an agreement with the other surveyor.?ÿ There is an adjacent owner notification requirement as well.
I did a quick google search and couldn't find anything, can you post the code? I am very curious.
"Unknown Origin"?ÿ If you have ever been deposed by a smart attorney over the this phrase then I guarantee that you will never, ever use it again.?ÿ "So Mr. Surveyor, does this mean you just get out of your truck and accept as gospel any old piece of iron you find sticking in the ground? So what makes you think it is a surveyor's marker then??ÿ How do you know that your client didn't just put that there earlier for you to find??ÿ In fact, since this is unknown, what is it that you do know??ÿ Tell the court about the amount of research you did".?ÿ This went on for 30 minutes.?ÿ I will never use that phrase again.?ÿ Also the Standards for Kansas allow for the surveyor to make assumptions and speculate as to origin and to note prior usage instead of "origin."?ÿ Prior usage is proven by the old saw "There is safety in numbers."?ÿ Almost anything and I mean anything is better that origin unknown.?ÿ
There are 2 things at issue here. Number 1 is whether to hold a found monument, or not . Number 2 is a failure to write a brief note that unambiguously conveys its meaning. The former may be debated. The latter is inexcusable.?ÿ?ÿ
Seems to me that surveyors that do this kind of thing are trying to limit their accountability by leaving as few breadcrumbs and explanations for the what and why of what they did, as if that somehow limits their liability. Sort of a 'the less I say, the less you have to hold me to account for'. Sort of like taking the 5th.?ÿ
Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
Next time I am in Idaho I will be on the look out for surveyors violating Newton's second law. I will be sure to notify them in writing that they have violated a "physical law"
06.Obligation to Affected Landowners. Land surveyors have a duty to set monuments at the corners of their client's property boundaries in compliance with 54-1227, Idaho Code. Per Subsection 100.04 above, land surveyors also have a duty to notify other licensees of a material discrepancy prior to setting monuments that represent a material discrepancy with a prior survey. If a monument is to be set at a location that represents a material discrepancy with an existing monument at any corner of record, land surveyors must also notify in writing all affected adjoining land owners and the Board prior to setting the new monument. (7-1-21)T
Who are "other licensees" and how do you notify them??ÿ
Looks like only "material discrepancies" are required to be reported. So pincushions are O.K.??ÿ
Seems to me that surveyors that do this kind of thing are trying to limit their accountability ....
IMO, notes and resolutions like this are mostly made by survey techs working without supervision in keeping with their abilities, and the maps they make are signed without sufficient review.?ÿ ?ÿ That and our school system has failed to teach people how to write a simple declarative sentence, and our society has failed to properly value such basic life skills.?ÿ
06.Obligation to Affected Landowners. Land surveyors have a duty to set monuments at the corners of their client's property boundaries in compliance with 54-1227, Idaho Code. Per Subsection 100.04 above, land surveyors also have a duty to notify other licensees of a material discrepancy prior to setting monuments that represent a material discrepancy with a prior survey. If a monument is to be set at a location that represents a material discrepancy with an existing monument at any corner of record, land surveyors must also notify in writing all affected adjoining land owners and the Board prior to setting the new monument. (7-1-21)T
Who are "other licensees" and how do you notify them??ÿ
Looks like only "material discrepancies" are required to be reported. So pincushions are O.K.??ÿ
This seems well meaning, but needs some work.?ÿ
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The other licensees are the PLS that set the monument you disagree with.?ÿ You notify them in writing or via email with some form of date tracking, it's not that hard.?ÿ If there is no record of the monument or if they are retired or deceased there is no licensee to notify.?ÿ A material discrepancy is anything different from than the record.?ÿ This has been discussed at length in ID and the board made a ruling a while back in regards to this.?ÿ If you find a pincushion you must notify all surveyors associated with the pincushion.
the maps they make are signed without sufficient review.?ÿ ?ÿ That and our school system has failed to teach people how to write a simple declarative sentence, and our society has failed to properly value such basic life skills.?ÿ
@wa-id-surveyor What the heck did the legislature intend to mean by "physical laws" that are being violated. I'm currently under the impression it is impossible to violate a physical law. The legislature seems to think otherwise.
06.Obligation to Affected Landowners. Land surveyors have a duty to set monuments at the corners of their client's property boundaries in compliance with 54-1227, Idaho Code. Per Subsection 100.04 above, land surveyors also have a duty to notify other licensees of a material discrepancy prior to setting monuments that represent a material discrepancy with a prior survey. If a monument is to be set at a location that represents a material discrepancy with an existing monument at any corner of record, land surveyors must also notify in writing all affected adjoining land owners and the Board prior to setting the new monument. (7-1-21)T
Who are "other licensees" and how do you notify them??ÿ
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I thought the same thing. Do you take out an advert in the state surveying publication listing all the material discrepancies you found? I mean it kind of implies you have to notify all of them..
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Oh, and when someone says, "Posh, use common sense." I will remind you that there is no such thing as common sense, at least not in government.
@k-huerth It's not in Statute. It is in the rules of professional responsibility. Go to the IPELS website and the entire law,and rule book is linked on the home page.
