We were working staking roads on a new subdivsion that I had recently pinned. The power company guys were laying in their?ÿ lines, and I noticed they had one of the corner pins laying on the surface. I asked the guy working there, and he says "Oh yeah, when we get done here we will put it back", I said did you reference it before you took it out? "No" says he. Well how are you going to put it back? "Oh, I remember where it was" says he. I told him do me a favor and just toss it. Whether he did or not I don't know.
In the great recession, a number of plats stopped midstep. Some of them had been recorded, but the corners were still in the process of being set. (This was allowed then, and was noted on the face of the plat...the surveyor promised to set them...but no bond was typically asked for to make sure they and the centerline monuments got set.)
Some of our work in the great recession was setting these corners, I am guessing some of it was without compensation to the company, but to simply fulfill the promise on the plat (I was in the field then, so not sure.)
One plat (by another company), the surveyor retired, the company folded, and some corners had been set, but no centerline monuments, even though they appeared on the plat. We were hired to stake houses and lots there, and while doing so, I noticed a contractor pounding in a rebar and cap...it had been dug out. He said he was putting it back. All I could think of was the pain he was creating if he was allowed to continue. There was so little control that anything that was found was likely to be used.
@kevin-hines?ÿ "they have section corners in valve boxes in the middle of major intersections."
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Used to see the same thing in Orlando-Orange County-Florida back in the 1970's. Don't know if this practice continues.
Yup.?ÿ Continues today.?ÿ The only reasonable method to simplify preservation of the true section corner monuments.?ÿ Far safer than digging through asphalt in the middle of traffic. Or some distance away from the centerline but still in a traffic lane.
Pop the lid, take the shot, reinstall the lid, get your butt off the road.
For a while around here the utility company wouldn't put in the underground stuff until all the lot corners along that line were set. Not just rough lathed, actual corners set. So we'd set them. One day we were working in a different area in the sub. when we saw the utility guys come through with a ditch witch right on the lot line in a 12' easement plowing out the corners. Following the machine, a guy would stand still watching the spot the pipe came out of while another would grab the pipe and hand it to him so he could put it back in where his eyeballs said it should go. Boss put a stop to that pretty quickly. Always wished he would have been hit in the head by one of the pipe flying out.
That monument had to be set in the box, rather than the box being set over the monument.
I wondered that at first but it was kind of under the lip of the box and there's no way you could pound a 2-foot bar in there straight and then somehow get a hammer in there to tap down the cap.?ÿ It still made zero sense why they had to put the box right there though; my pictures don't show it unfortunately but there was tons of room behind and around where I was standing.
I also like the generous interpretation of the ROW by whoever installed the fence. ??? There was at least a foot, maybe 15-18 inches between the fence post and the pin.?ÿ Of course, the fence could have been there first, but the ROS where these pins were set is dated 2014 and the fence doesn't look particularly old either.
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In the Greater Vancouver Area, many BM's and HCM's are set in a pipe with a lid in the middle of a road intersection.?ÿ Map of some examples:
https://www.richmond.ca/__shared/assets/BenchmarkMap21730.pdf
Easy to find.?ÿ Sometimes not so easy to tie in during traffic.
Map of some examples:?ÿ https://www.richmond.ca/__shared/assets/BenchmarkMap21730.pdf
Loving those elevations. At least those are meters and not feet.?ÿ When I was a student at BCIT we were assured that, one day, Richmond would be flooded off the map.
If I remember correctly, BCIT had one of these buried HCM's near their front entrance that we tied into.
Some Dutch and Bayou people would wonder what the fuss is about for those elevations 😉
It does serve as a reminder to check your surroundings.?ÿ We had an engineering firm gives us plans and the elevations were all out by less than a 1m.?ÿ We could not determine what vertical datum they used as it did not match up with anything in the area, nor was anything declared on the plans.?ÿ We asked for the source of the drawings.?ÿ It was a survey done by a small freelancer where they had done a typical 10000,5000,100 starting point and then just traversed around.?ÿ Nothing wrong with that--it just wasn't properly documented.?ÿ The engineering firm had rotated/moved it so that it lined up with Google Earth.?ÿ The problem was that it was down near the lake where the elevations were around the 100.00m mark.?ÿ So the vertical seemed to line up, but it was just a coincident.?ÿ The lack of documentation could have proven a hassle had things not been caught off the hop.
Some Dutch and Bayou people would wonder what the fuss is about for those elevations
Those people would find such elevations common, but they would not likely wonder about their significance.
In 1995 the Willamette River through downtown Portland flooded to within a couple inches of the top of that seawall. Such a rise in the Fraser would put the entirety of Lulu Island under water. The Willamette has dams to control the floods, the Fraser does not.?ÿ ?ÿIt can happen. Probably the proximity of Lulu to the open ocean is the only thing saving it. But that puts it in Tsunami danger from the other direction.?ÿ?ÿ
Very true.?ÿ The rest of the province also has enough water issues to deal with currently.
The rest of the province also has enough water issues to deal with currently.
When I lived in Canada, it was (mostly) in Abbotsford.?ÿ Sumas Prairie (fka Sumas Lake) has flooded before. Not that that makes it any less of a disaster for the people involved, but just that it is part of the natural order of things. For that reason the houses are built with their main floors well above ground level.?ÿ It will happen again, someday.?ÿ?ÿ
Oh, the things we can learn by following this site.?ÿ I was curious as to the location of Abbotsford.?ÿ This, in turn, led me to search for Sumas, Washington, its neighbor to the south.?ÿ That led to the following note mentioning surveyor error.?ÿ How about that?
Due to a surveying error, part of Sumas lies above the?ÿ49th parallel?ÿand is thus the northernmost incorporated place in the contiguous United States.
?ÿThis, in turn, led me to search for Sumas, Washington, its neighbor to the south.
Sumas Prairie (fka Sumas Lake) has flooded before.
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Due to a surveying error, part of Sumas lies above the?ÿ49th parallel?ÿand is thus the northernmost incorporated place in the contiguous United States.
FWIW,
85% of the town flooded this past month...
Read about the flooding there and all over the Sumas Prairie (fka Sumas Lake).?ÿ Over 1100 homes.?ÿ Building there is probably as smart as building in the middle of a forest where no controlled burning has been conducted in a few decades.?ÿ It's just a matter of time........................................
Read about the flooding there and all over the Sumas Prairie (fka Sumas Lake).?ÿ Over 1100 homes.?ÿ Building there is probably as smart as building in the middle of a forest where no controlled burning has been conducted in a few decades.?ÿ It's just a matter of time........................................
It is extraordinarily rich land for dairy farming in the low lying areas and growing berries on the uplands. The other day we were talking about 4 acres, 100 acres, per cow. My Dad and his wife have 10 acres in the area, they rent out a quarter of it to a fellow who keeps 3 cows on that 2-1/2 acres.?ÿ ?ÿAnd they could feed and water more if they confined the cows and grew hay instead. No shortage of water. You could make a go of it growing vegetables on 5 acres in that area, except the fact that the property values are probably $200k/acre.
