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It sure is hard to tell WHERE that marker is by just looking at it.....
> If anyone says a cow cant be a pet - I'll beg to differ. Bitty would come and set with us on the porch (which I also helped build).
Big E, I wish you had a picture of that one - lol !!!
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> It sure is hard to tell WHERE that marker is by just looking at it.....
Really? I personally have found that if I point to the corner and tell the landowners "it is right here" is far more understandable and effective than providing them a list of OPUS corrected, Star*Net adjusted lats, lons, and hts.
It is far much harder to discover the history of the monument and especially if there is reliance by the landowners (which is what makes it the corner) by looking at the data collector screen.
[sarcasm]But hey, we are expert measurers first and foremost anyway aren't we?[/sarcasm]
> > If anyone says a cow cant be a pet - I'll beg to differ. Bitty would come and set with us on the porch (which I also helped build).
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> Big E, I wish you had a picture of that one - lol !!!
Yeah, me to. 1200 lbs of black angus love and joy. That was Bitty Girl. I could drop the tail gate and back up to a little hill and she would jump right in and go for a ride like the rest of us dogs. My buddy Curtis tells me I have the record riding her without being thrown. He tried like hell to get her to throw me but it just didn't happen. That would have made for great pics and better videos. I can only imagine.
She would bust out the pin now and then to "go get her some" and they would call me to go find her. I always did.
I think we have two different issues here. If an existing monumented subdivision exists and a surveyor locates and recovers the existing corners using the recorded plat, why would a survey be required. I would never flag corners without locating the corners of a lot to determine to my satisfaction that the corners found are the correct corners. If I find a corner that does not seem to quiet match the plat dimensions with the same accuracy as the other corners, then I will locate as many corners necessary to make a judgment call and tell the client that a survey is necessary. However on the other hand many clients ask for there corners to be located without an existing survey and as a surveyor you have to explain that you cannot locate corners that were never platted or set and that they will need a survey. Also there are older platted subdivisions that are a mess and you have to tell your client up fron that you will make every attempt to recover the corners but if the corners do not match the plat then you must go with a survey. I think that this is a judgment call that every surveyor has to make. If a surveyor decides to go out with a metal detector and pace the locations and recover corners, it is his license and reputation at stake and the risk is all his.
With all due respect, if that's the biggest problem you've got in the Jackson Purchase, y'all are in fine shape. That's a far better problem to have than licensed surveyors producing garbage plats and setting pins all over the place measured by stadia.
Agreed.
Hey John,
I'm not registered in Oregon, so I have some questions for you.
1. If you find (gazing upon them for the first time) four monuments that look like original monuments, how do you know they are the monuments called for? For this discussion, let us just say that the monuments are stones and the stones are exposed enough to see the markings that exist on thems as being identical with what the markings for monuments in those locations should be.
2. But how can you tell whether or not they have been moved?
3. Wouldn't you have to know where they were originally set?
4. Wouldn't that entail some research?
5. Isn't the act of calling those found monuments "the original corners" a part of a boundary survey?
6. Are there minimum requirements of a boundary survey that go beyond just finding original monuments, such as adjoining information, disclosure of possession lines, etc.? I assume drawings would not have to be conceived and produced, but what about public disclosure of the re-location of said monuments (Texas does not have this requirement)?
7. If there are other minimum requirements that exist and you do not meet them, have you then violated state laws?
8. If all you did was go locate some monuments, investigated as to junior-senior rights, produced no drawing, produced no property description, did not locate possession of any type, how can you possibly call those monuments "the property corners"?
9. I'm just saying the simple act of calling those beautiful, aged, correctly marked stones the "property corners" may not be the right thing to do, in your area, without performing the necessary research and measurements. I do know that here in Texas it would be a violation of state laws to do so.
> There are reasons for doing the full research and survey, but it makes all surveys expensive so people avoid getting them done.
That's for stating what came to my mind as well, Bill.
We should be more concerned over meeting the needs of our own client than we are about whether someone else met the needs of theirs.
JBS