Just another day in Paradise.
Currently doing a survey for a city. They need to know the correct location of the alley running through a certain block. No big deal.
Start researching and find enough survey data for that block and three adjoiners. Things are looking good. Drive up to one end of the "alley" and see a maximum of about three feet of unused space in a strip where the 15-foot wide alley should be. Fences, buildings, utilities, trees, etc. Uh oh, somebody will not be happy. Get a call from the city clerk. Hopes I can wrap this up soon as the mayor is very interested in the results. Hmmmmm?
Crew finds numerous bars of varying dimensions in enough key locations to make the final decision seem easy. Check it out on the computer. Most everything fits pretty darn well. I'd like to have a bit more info, though. I go out yesterday and find three more existing bars where the crew could not access on the first trip. Add these. Things are fitting together very well. Just need to break the bad news to the client.
Meet today with the City Clerk, Mayor and City Superintendent. Show them a 90 percent complete plat and explain I need more guidance on how many corners they want marked along the alley. Then we head out to the block in question to look at the found bars. I had intentionally not left flags or other evidence prior to this as I knew the neighborhood would be rather unhappy with the results. I walk up to bar number one, reveal and flag it. The Mayor says, "So this is the west side of the alley?" I say "No." as I walk fifteen feet west to reveal and flag bar number 2 at the west side of the alley. "No way can that be right.", says the Mayor. It all went down hill from there as I flagged other bars. We had to tape between them to prove they were at the correct distances apart as the clients became more and more unhappy with the results.
Turns out we were hired to do a survey because the Mayor lives in that block and he wanted to rock the alley so he could build a garage in his backyard. Guess what. Everyone on his side of the block has been occupying the alley as their backyards. A sewer line runs about two feet inside the private owners properties on the east half of the block. Several large trees, 200 feet of chain link fence and a large number of landscaping trees and bushes will have to go, along with the moving of three good-sized sheds of which two belong to the Mayor. Add removal of a large satelite dish and a big concrete slab, two gardens and moving a power pole and pedestal about three feet to the east. Then comes the obvious question, "Do we also actually build one block of street along the south end of the block as none has ever been constructed in that right-of-way?"
Ain't this work really fun sometimes?
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Quick! Vacate the alley!
The mayor must have some pull with the City Council, right?
No wait, the mayor wants to IMPROVE the alley.
Criminy, Cow, here's another fine mess....
But, no skin off your udder,
Don
My favorite part is how you found the corners that the crew could not.
[sarcasm]and we thought moving an aboveground pool was the end of the world[/sarcasm]
> My favorite part is how you found the corners that the crew could not.
"I go out yesterday and find three more existing bars where the crew could not access on the first trip."
I did not take this as "couldn't find", I took this as couldn't get to because of an angry dog, locked fence, parked car, or any of 100 things. At no point did he say "they didn't find".
I guess I could take it that way, no offense meant to the crew. I worked with a guy who just could not find monuments. Good on the gun, but getting to the point could be a challenge...
Two were under a parked car and one inside a high board fence with no one answering the door.
I'm waiting to see if the Mayor is going to get the City Clerk and City Superintendent on board for the city to fix his personal problem.
😉
At this point you'd think it would just be easier and in everyone's interests "just" to vacate the alley.
IF the Alley was never improved nor used as an Alley, perhaps it is already abandoned?
I think you'll find that if a platted alley has never even been used as one, it is hard to claim it without an actual vacation (or abandonment or other action) by the City. It's just one of those things where a private person can't just begin to possess a property that was dedicted to the public. (maybe with exceptions to the Mayor or someone else...;-) )
I know of a city that vacated all the unused Alleys en masse, thats why I mentioned it.
> I know of a city that vacated all the unused Alleys en masse, thats why I mentioned it.
Ditto.
I reread your post. My bad. You didn't in any way imply that you could take it over if it hasn't gone through abandonment procedures.:-/
And when a public utility wants a R/W, they'll wish they hadn't.
> Two were under a parked car and one inside a high board fence with no one answering the door.
:good: See... I was reading your mind. 🙂