"True Corner"

I bet it's really 0.312 southeast

Maybe "True" is the name of the property owner. 😀

He should have set one at the true corner and pulled the other two. Isn't that what his client hired him to do?

> He should have set one at the true corner and pulled the other two. Isn't that what his client hired him to do?

Yupppp - That's exactly what he should do

What would make things even worse is if the other two monuments had the same number.

I've actually seen that...

No, worse would be if the other corners were his too.

I thought this post is a message to the user "True Corner."

> I've actually seen that...

I've actually done that.
Not really, just messin'

Clyde

Really?

Were you the subdividing surveyor, or are you doing a retracement of the parcel? I was under the impression that our charge is not to "correct" what we believe to be incorrect, but to make measurements on the ground and report any discrepancies between evidence on the ground and our opinion of where the boundary lies. I thought that only the courts have the authority to determine property corners/lines. By pulling another surveyors monuments, no matter how "wrong" you think they are, you are stepping out of the realm of surveying and entering into the practice of law (without a license).

Really?

:good:

When I get my license, all my caps will be stamped with my LS number, with "true corner" zinc stamped on, just so this doesn't happen.

My number's better than your number.
Yes, my number's better than your's.
My number's better cause I eat Kennel Ration.
My number's better than your's.

(for those to young to know otherwise) There once was a television commercial for Kennel Ration dog food that had a lovely little tune and a kid bragging that his dog was better than your dog, because his dog ate Kennel Ration.

I am not licensed but that is not going to keep me from sharing my HSO. It looks to me like "adjoiner" has some sort of argument whichever corner you choose.

When somebody rejects somebody else's corner, should they not tell us how their math is better, than the person they are retracing?

There should be a story with that.

N

I have rejected another surveyor's corner, by 0.50' BUT, I had personal knowledge of it getting disturbed. I noted why I rejected it, and that the previous mon was disturbed.

Nate

Really?

> Were you the subdividing surveyor, or are you doing a retracement of the parcel? I was under the impression that our charge is not to "correct" what we believe to be incorrect, but to make measurements on the ground and report any discrepancies between evidence on the ground and our opinion of where the boundary lies. I thought that only the courts have the authority to determine property corners/lines. By pulling another surveyors monuments, no matter how "wrong" you think they are, you are stepping out of the realm of surveying and entering into the practice of law (without a license).

So....what good are we? Can't anyone make measurements on the ground, and come up with an opinion of where the property corners/lines are?

And what about the courts? A court makes a judgement, and a higher court reverses that judgement. How is a lower courts judgement any more than an opinion? Is everything not a "true corner" unless it goes to the supreme court?

If I call something the "true corner", isn't it obvious that it is my opinion of where the true corner is?

Okay, I don't technically disagree with what you said, and would not use the term "true corner" in my survey, but in reality, when I do a survey it will most likely be treated as the defining property corners unless proven otherwise by a court. And how many times does your survey go to court and your corners get "rejected"? I would venture to bet that all but a very few of your monuments are used as the actual corners.

Lawyers, can "practice law" but can they go out and set property corners? If they can't, if a judge can't (go out and set monuments), and a jury can't, then who can?

I disagree with that guy's premise, that the found corner monument is 0.312' southeast of the true corner, but more because I would probably be saying that I found the "true corner" and my measurement to it was 0.31' different to the true corner than the original call was.

That looks like target practice, not boundary surveying.

Did not read his narrative nor see the list of references or deed documents he reviewed. There might be a good reason for what he did. Did he note on the drawing somewhere, that he had parole evidence that the monuments found had been moved by utility placement or perhaps they were moved for fence construction years ago. Apparently this survey was filed in the records for all to see and any who follow should see that record and make their own choices with full knowledge what they should find at the area of that true corner. May not be neat or many don't like what he did, but, did he do any harm to anyone, will his work maintain the stability of the original and intended boundary's? Seems that most of the hard and fast opinions about how to survey comes from non recording states, could that limit exposure to other ways of interpreting evidence or what to do with conflicting evidence? The monument 0.9' out I would probably reject unless there was strong evidence that justifies holding it. The one 0.3' out, I might hold unless other evidence strongly indicated it had been disturbed, that evidence could even be the quality of the surrounding monuments, but I would have sound reasoning about what choice I made about holding or rejecting. A rule alone, would not be my only guide but the rule would probably cause me to explain well, why I chose what I did.
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