When everyone has a Javad, who will know how to work a total station?
Try asking a grade school student to read cursive....
Schools are beginning to reintroduce cursive writing.?ÿ College students are the ones who have missed out on a basic tool they need to have.
In Oklahoma, the crews all had a total station but they used them so infrequently that they were less than comfortable using them. So I get what you are saying. Conversely, they were all quite comfortable with the level, something that I find Oregon crew persons are frequently unfamiliar with.
I'll bet that in 10 years survey grade GNSS receivers will be an app on a smartphone, with a bluetooth probe, that doubles as a pencil, that you put on the point.?ÿ ?ÿ ?ÿ
I bet that in 10 years survey grade GNSS receivers will be an app on a smartphone, with a bluetooth probe, that doubles as a pencil, that you put on the point.?ÿ ?ÿ ?ÿ
Probably so, and at that point "surveying" will be a minimum wage job.
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I think otherwise. Operating a GPS receiver is a skill anyone can pick up in a few hours. Knowing where to operate it, that is quite another thing.
I started surveying in Seattle in 2001 and started working on tunnel works in 2011. I only recently started using GPS for anything beyond establishing control, what a welcome addition.
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Coffee time with sarcasm....bring it.?ÿ I'm a born Iowan.....
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Try asking a grade school student to read cursive....
Schools are beginning to reintroduce cursive writing.?ÿ College students are the ones who have missed out on a basic tool they need to have.
Eh, aside from a few studies that show cursive to possibly help with dyslexia (didn't help the 50% of my family who are dyslexic), there aren't any real benefits to teaching kids to write it. It can help with fine motor skills, but so can lots of other things, and kids with fewer fine motor skills would get punished by spending extra hours writing cursive over and over.
Is it a good idea to be able to read it? Absolutely. Once kids can learn print, they can be taught to read cursive in a matter of hours, versus spending hundreds of hours of repetitive practice spent learning to write it.
The Palmer method that became the gold standard for schools is not really much faster than printing, which was the main reason it was taught, and shorthand is shorthand, whether it's in cursive or print.
@paul-d?ÿ ?ÿ Yep, The crews in my area that use GNSS data collection over RTS; collect less data, less detail, record no raw data, are less accurate and leave no paper trail; but are cool, very very cool.
The method we were taught was attributed to a Mrs. Kittle, whoever she was.?ÿ I detested writing as a class subject.?ÿ It could have been a class in printing and I would have hated it just as much.?ÿ I now understand why we were forced into a world of standardization but it was extremely boring to a kid who wanted to learn more and more each day.?ÿ Understand that this was a time when typewriters were used by few beyond secretaries and computers with keyboards were far into the future.
Had a helper a couple of years back who was a Senior in Mechanical Engineering with a 4.00 GPA at the time.?ÿ I opened a deed book from the 1930's and asked him to read what it said.?ÿ It was like listening to a First Grade student attempting to read four syllable words.
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As others have stated, knowing the right tool for the job is key.?ÿ
Deformation surveying of concrete structures where the required error ellipse is 2mm horizontal and 0.2mm vertical requires not only a TS and Level but a significant amount of preparation, calibration, and knowledge beyond button pushing.?ÿ
Put me down for TS everyday in NC.?ÿ
As others have stated, knowing the right tool for the job is key.
100% agree. And to add to this (since all I have done in this thread so far is complain about cursive), both can be used in concert with each other.
Mixing total station and GNSS data is not difficult using industry standard software, but is often misunderstood and either not used, or used incorrectly.
I wouldn't give up either, and on all but the most unique of projects I am observing with both TS and GNSS. Being able to build a geodetic database of survey data (usually control points and monumentation) which can be stored with metadata and then projected to any coordinate system desired is a powerful tool.
I'd be interested to see how much a level gets used today. My previous job, our SOP for staking was that all grades were done with a level. Hubs were set by the total station, then leveled for elevation.
