This is something that I have pondered a bit over the years but I can't say as I've done any research.
Let's say you have a lot, for example, with an interior corner and the setbacks all the way around are the same for simplicity's sake.?ÿ As one of the more extreme examples let's say this interior corner is 270?ø and the setback is 10'.
How would you portray the graphic 10' setback line:?ÿ as Option A with a hard corner or; as Option B with an eased radius corner?
?ÿ
Licensed Land Surveyor
Finger Lakes Region, Upstate New York
B is correct if the wording says you can't build within 10' of the boundary, but you are likely to find a city official requiring it to be interpreted as A.
In Florida, ??A? is the interpretation used by the multitude of building departments I??ve been involved in for the last 15,000+ houses I??ve laid out over the past 30 years. ?????ÿ
@flga-2
WOW! That is about 2 a day for 30 years! ???? 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year! No wonder Mrs. flga keep you around. You were never home and made a lot of $$$! ?????ÿ
Yes. A
'A' has been the answer in every case I can remember.
I will admit that this looks weird when that interior angle is something like 45 degrees instead of 90.?ÿ It doesn't seem right on either side of the common boundary, but it is what it is.
Many planning authorities have provisions allowing their interpretations to rule the day. I've never seen the radius method used and suspect it would be a tough fight even where the language is clear...
There were three recessions involved also. Our biggest year was just over 1800, but that included about 300 town homes. I'm glad its over and still can't calm all the way down from the chaos. ?????ÿ
As for the "Queen Supreme", my warden, she was a big, big part of it keeping tabs of the books and me. Going on 52 years.....
It seems in most cases the setback rule will read 10' from the property line, not 10' from the property corner. Any point along the curve, other than the PC or PT will be less than 10' from either property line, measured perpendicularly.
Any point along the curve, other than the PC or PT will be less than 10' from either property line EXTENDED, measured perpendicularly.
The curve in figure B is 10' from the nearest point on any property line.
Laymen love straight lines.?ÿ Curves are a glorious pain in the rear for those lacking the knowledge and tools of the surveyor.?ÿ Simplicity loves straight lines.
With utility easements, the general rule is to lay the utility line in as straight as possible for as long as possible, especially for something like a potable water line to avoid the need for blocking.?ÿ The equipment involved in installing the line will continue in a straight line a considerable distance beyond the end of the line/bend in the line.?ÿ That is the critical reason to avoid thinking of a curve at the lot corner.?ÿ Picture there being a stone wall along the easement line that must not be contacted by the installation equipment.
I use (B) with no issue. This conforms to the most common ordinance definition of "setback".
I really love the lazy cad guy that doesn't round sharp corners for stream buffers and such.
I think you are poking a bear...well played.?ÿ ?ÿIf you show an easement that is isn't adjacent would you enjoy writing those curvy legals. Double work 10x work 10x error & confusion?ÿ?ÿ
or setback for worse....put jack back in the box n spin the handle some more:). Never speak of again...& just ask for the setback reduction when your client needs those 2' :)?ÿ
A, I've never heard of B.?ÿ A straight line is a straight line is a straight line.
B is correct for Federal Units, I've never seen it shown for a subdivision lot. However it's the logical interpretation for an offset distance.
I've always drawn "B". Any point between the curve and the tangents is more than 10' from any property line. What if it was a 5 degree angle? The setback in "A" could go all the way across the lot! Then again I don't do any permitting. I don't do well discussing things with govt. employees.?ÿ
I've submitted quite a few sub plans in several mucky-muck-noses-in-air suburban towns.?ÿ Always radius-ed the setbacks.?ÿ Never a peep from planners, engineers, or planning boards.
When you as-built the dwelling for the C of O, IF you staked it (and if they built it), inside the setbacks (radius and all), you simply cannot show a non-compliant offset.
Isn't the as-built, after all, the bottom line?
I've only used B here in MA.?ÿ I had one case where a house tucked into "that" corner and it caused lots of anxiety about things like the gutter line and roof overhang which all had to clear the setback.
I draw setback lines like in the B diagram.
